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it's me oh my gosh this is that triangle

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident

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it wasn't involved aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so toxic he's also really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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welcome to podcast UFO for our live show

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page hello and welcome to the show I'm

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Martyn Willis your host and we have an

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exciting show tonight we have Randall

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Nickerson but we have a special guest

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coming up we recorded with him earlier

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today and I want to thank thanks to Joe

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call for that we have Francis chair

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amudha and he is one of the witnesses to

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the event itself so that is pretty

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exciting and he'll be coming up we're

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going to play the clip that we recorded

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it's a middle of the night where he is

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in Madagascar so we recorded with him

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earlier just a couple of short clips but

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it's still great to have them on and and

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what a great guy he is so you can look

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forward to that and also I want to thank

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everyone that supports the show anyone

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can do that over a podcast UFO comm all

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that informations there our Facebook

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icon is there if you want to connect

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with Facebook our blog this week from

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Charles layer is called UFO secrecy

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check that out it's I'm sorry citizens

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against UFOs secrecy a little different

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there so check that out on that website

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and I what I'm gonna do here is I'm

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going to start out and I'm gonna play

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the trailer to the film that is coming

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up and Randall Nickerson spent many many

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years making I think it's seven or nine

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years seven to nine years something like

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that

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I know I've known Randall for quite a

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while a many years since back in 2006 I

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I mean I'm sorry mm I can't twelve that

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is anyway he is super fussy with his

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work and you should look at his wildlife

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photography those links are in the show

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notes it's just amazing he does a

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wonderful job at whatever he does so

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we're all just waiting for this film and

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for right now I'm gonna play the trailer

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does that beseech saying they cited an

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unidentified flying object with a bright

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radiant like I've never seen anything

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like it in my life people from all over

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Zimbabwe were failing the BBC to say

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we've seen something weird there were

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three of us said sword it's myself the

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copilot and pilot another aircraft no

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wings aerial school 19 September 24 this

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other thing it in amongst this clump of

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trees we saw the black figure running

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his his face was like this and his eyes

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were down here I just thought it was

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some kind of alien looks at those

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children they were absolutely credible

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and whereabouts was it there was a big

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group of kids pointing and making a

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noise and shouting and screaming the

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panic spread am i safe or am I not safe

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meet dr. John Mack we came away

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convinced it's an extraordinary event

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occurred here I think they want people

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to know that we're actually making home

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it came to me somehow there was a

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message about pollution from the way he

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was staring I wasn't on part of

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journalists I could handle war zones but

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angels yes extraterrestrials know John

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has lost at this time this journey

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to pick up the pieces and put them back

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log when it actually happened the other

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one who drew those finally if you get

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something that will may be able to get

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it quiet people think you're crazy you

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our notions of reality rather than being

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able to stretch ourselves to expand what

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we know and to admit that we don't know

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would you like to see them again and if

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you saw her again what would you do

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I'll ask him some questions what would

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you like to ask me ask him what fizzy

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see that trailer it's just so moving and

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it's really really something I designed

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the same experience I hadn't seen it for

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a while yeah and you know you you were

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right there with all those children you

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know later on filming them and what an

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amazing thing and we're going to talk

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tonight I'll a bit about some of the how

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with this and it's not just the children

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people that would not want to go on

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camera but I interviewed a good

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forty-three I believe and I just had

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somebody contact me two weeks ago who

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touch with him for years and it's just

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witness and it's going to be great to to

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interview him and find his if I find out

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what the details of his story were now

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is he yeah but it's too late that the

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film's in the bag so to speak right

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films and films in the can yeah I can

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everybody see yeah Tom's in the can yeah

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but it's just it's amazing and I you

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know like with Francis today you know I

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really feel that that's that's just that

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I am I want the kids to come out and

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speak you know and I mean they're not

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the kids they're young adults now but

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you know they're just wonderful people

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researched and look into and people I

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talk to and everything else this thing

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this really happened right right

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you know I can't think of a better time

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we recorded earlier today with Francis

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in Madagascar and and here it is I'm

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going to bring it on right now

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dang it mm-hmm you're a good-looking guy

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kind of difficult now talking from a

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position because now that I've done a

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regression that is the freshest memory

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of sort of like the events that I now

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have because this kind of brought to

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light a few details and I otherwise

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before it did not have or details that

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of the event and obviously us going

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through life and growing up but you know

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there being these spheres and these

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size of an adult human right and these

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spheres were kind of rotating around the

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craft in an anti-clockwise motion and

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they were glowing bright bright white

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the light that a lot of people were

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seeing were being emitted by these

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spheres all right and as we kind of

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switched behavior in a way and as if

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they were being repelled by a magnet one

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directions right then leaving the craft

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itself which because there was no light

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now shining on the on the craft you

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of the craft and yeah this is the most

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vivid and direct memory that I actually

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do recall you know from the regression

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hand from past memory as well now did

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you actually see what other people

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had seen as far as like the being the

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facade yes I did by account they were

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actually three beings two of them kind

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of remained within the line of sight

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from the playground to the craft and

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another one which is also one of my most

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actually darting from the craft towards

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the direction of the swimming pool the

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swimming pool which was probably about

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left of the playground and the most

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peculiar thing was the way in which it

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would disappear and appear a few meters

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ahead of itself you know almost in a

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blinking fashion and not in the normal

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linear fashion that you would expect

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someone to be moving you know and did

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you see it like it look like was

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floating I've heard other people say

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like it they never saw it actually

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appearing and disappearing so I would

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just want to guess and say yes it

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probably looked like it was floating but

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had no point did it ever look like it

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was physically running if I could say

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that mm-hmm about that just like to ask

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you and I'm sure this will be in the the

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movie the the aerial phenomenon but um

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how much has this changed your life this

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this one thing changed your life oh gosh

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um you know there was the longest part

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of my life when were probably silent

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about it and I guess with him that

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this whole sort of experience brews

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within within you and the longer that

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where you decide whether you're going to

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confirm everything you know or you're

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going to not deny it as such but find a

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way to come to terms with it maybe not

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being true alright and to be very honest

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this was one of the biggest reasons why

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I had to do this for myself which is why

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I actually some sort out the hypnotist

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right this was never to to to sort of go

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out and just blindly confirm that yes

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what I believe I believe but I was also

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kind of hoping that it might not have

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been true because either way the answer

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that I was gonna get was going to help

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me in one way or another move forward

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with my own life right now yeah the the

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self-doubt was was was was starting to

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creep in and I was just ready for just a

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hint or an answer or something along

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those lines but it has affected me in a

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lot more ways than one

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first of all the way I think I'm I'm

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very open minded to a lot of things I'm

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very tolerant to to people and their

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thoughts and their ideas and their

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viewpoints because here I am with one of

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the most craziest stories anyone can

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actually sit here and tell someone and

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so yeah that kind of makes me believe in

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in people a bit more I guess even if

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that's a good or bad thing but I always

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give people the benefit of the doubt

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when it comes to weird and wacky things

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thank you so much for your time I really

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really appreciate it and I'm sorry you

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couldn't come on the show live but I

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understand we're just in the middle of

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the night for you over there so you take

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care

273
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I feel good Blizz he going good you look

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great by the way

275
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Randall you look good too I have to say

276
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no thanks

277
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get some sleep yeah yeah all right take

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care

279
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you guys alright

280
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well mmm that was great wasn't it

281
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yeah I gotta say you know this is the

282
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third student that I've talked to out of

283
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the 65 and I knew you talked to you said

284
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43 or so they're so authentic I mean I

285
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don't know another way to put it

286
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everything about them is just so

287
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authentic in and there's you know

288
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there's there's a lot of emotion when it

289
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comes to you know Francis maybe didn't

290
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show that a lot but there are you know a

291
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lot of emotions that this thing has

292
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brought up as such a an early you know

293
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childhood thing has anyone that you're

294
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aware of talked about having any like

295
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what do they call it PST what's it

296
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called PPS yeah syndromes FRA yeah yeah

297
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sure and and what what what way you know

298
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nightmares of nightmares that some with

299
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some people that still continue to this

300
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day

301
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mm-hmm and you think you had one of the

302
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things you know get it I just I he

303
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pointed out a really a good fact that a

304
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lot of people you know not just an

305
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aerial but in but in this phenomenon you

306
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know they have an event happen and they

307
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keep quiet for a long long time and that

308
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you know just holding on to something

309
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that big is challenging very you know

310
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very trying on a person's life and I

311
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just thought he put it so well into

312
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words that that process of you know

313
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being very silent about and then finally

314
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saying to yourself I got to deal with

315
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this yeah and I I thought it was

316
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interesting how we said you know the

317
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doubt creeps in because you know it's

318
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it's interesting I've been communicating

319
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with someone that

320
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amazing UFO sighting I'm trying to get

321
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her on the show for at least a little

322
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while and talk about it and she said

323
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something like along those lines like

324
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you know all these years go by and I'm

325
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wondering if I just dreamt the whole

326
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thing but you know she had conversations

327
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with her parents and relatives that were

328
00:16:48,530 --> 00:16:46,709
right there when it all happened and but

329
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she just says it feels like almost like

330
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a dream at this point in her life and I

331
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think that happens I think so it's so

332
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out of the ordinary and you don't know

333
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where to put it and then you know at

334
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least more so in the past you're

335
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surrounded by people that don't believe

336
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you you know and you're afraid of you

337
00:17:13,010 --> 00:17:10,980
know getting ridiculed or you know

338
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having a big question mark on your shirt

339
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you know what yeah so yeah absolutely

340
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and we'll get right back into that but

341
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I'd like to get something out of the way

342
00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:25,679
just to get it out of the way at this

343
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point the first part of the show because

344
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you know people are already wondering

345
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:36,510
this kovat 19 how is this affecting the

346
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release of this film uh-huh it's

347
00:17:50,299 --> 00:17:47,010
definitely affected it but I got to say

348
00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:50,309
I had a my brother died tragically in

349
00:17:57,740 --> 00:17:54,059
September and it was actually the night

350
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you were on the show last it was yeah

351
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:01,080
remember that yeah oh my god yeah it was

352
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right after you got off the show last

353
00:18:08,149 --> 00:18:04,500
time you were on and Marley's already

354
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that was a tragedy yeah I was it was a

355
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tragedy and I and then you know as soon

356
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as I got over that

357
00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:17,970
Kovac came in and but I did get a lot of

358
00:18:23,899 --> 00:18:20,130
work done I went out to ASM the American

359
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film market and started talking to

360
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distributors and that kind of thing but

361
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:34,770
yeah it's it was it's I think it's you

362
00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:36,090
know because there's no content being

363
00:18:39,650 --> 00:18:38,070
made in Hollywood right now all the

364
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productions have been shut down

365
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which actually may be helpful for the

366
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film actually yeah

367
00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:47,460
because there's no all the Netflix and

368
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Amazon they're all starving for content

369
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,330
because they're running through it like

370
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you know extremely fast I think they're

371
00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:57,990
out and that's gonna go like for

372
00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:59,940
instance if all of a sudden social

373
00:19:06,350 --> 00:19:02,880
distancing was gone tomorrow it's still

374
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gonna take a long time before you know

375
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:08,910
something can be produced and filmed and

376
00:19:14,270 --> 00:19:12,090
edited and you know already so you know

377
00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:14,280
there's there's still a lag now I'm sure

378
00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:15,750
of things that were backed up and but

379
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:17,910
that will be over and then they will be

380
00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:20,880
clamoring for everything yeah that's

381
00:19:25,910 --> 00:19:22,950
true I really wanted this to be a

382
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theatrical release and I don't know if

383
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that's going to happen because of kovat

384
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:34,680
but whether the film comes out on

385
00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:39,450
Netflix or Amazon or whichever takes it

386
00:19:44,780 --> 00:19:41,550
uh you know I'm still gonna have a

387
00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:44,790
theatrical release when I can you know

388
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:46,800
what I mean when when were through this

389
00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:50,160
time period yeah yeah historically has

390
00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:52,110
that ever happened before where there'll

391
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be a release online and then in theater

392
00:20:01,970 --> 00:19:58,440
after or I mean really okay yeah huh I

393
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:01,980
see all right yeah so the the number one

394
00:20:06,140 --> 00:20:04,380
question I still get I get I think I

395
00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:06,150
tell you you know I have your banner up

396
00:20:10,670 --> 00:20:07,740
on my website and I still get people

397
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:10,680
that will ask me when when can we see

398
00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:13,130
this so we don't really have any idea

399
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:17,070
exactly when still at this point I get

400
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:18,840
all kinds of can you know people think

401
00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:21,570
I'm working for the CA and withholding

402
00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:25,110
the film and no really it's you know

403
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:28,590
people are not everybody but you know

404
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:31,140
this the the holdup on this film has

405
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:34,110
been financial all the way along I mean

406
00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:35,970
I would have been done a long time ago

407
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:37,680
if I didn't have to keep going out to

408
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:42,600
raise money but we're right now we're

409
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:43,860
talking to a whole bunch of different

410
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:48,330
distributors and I'm not gonna be me

411
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:50,850
making that decision once of the disc

412
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:52,890
once I go with that it's this

413
00:21:01,010 --> 00:20:57,450
tribute or excuse me then they're going

414
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:01,020
to sell it to Netflix Amazon whoo-hoo

415
00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:02,820
you know all the that's where they're

416
00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:04,230
gonna be marketing it to and those

417
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:07,080
people are gonna have a big decision on

418
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,380
when the release date is but looking at

419
00:21:15,050 --> 00:21:12,780
it now it's probably going my my

420
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,060
preference right now it's going to be

421
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:17,760
the end of this year or the very

422
00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:19,890
beginning of January beginning of next

423
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:22,620
year unless something extraordinary

424
00:21:29,030 --> 00:21:24,570
happens because I'd like it out today

425
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,040
you know um but you also have to think

426
00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:31,200
about where people are at right now and

427
00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:35,790
whether they can really take this film

428
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:41,100
in you know with kovat going on and I

429
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:43,710
don't know there's a lot of things a lot

430
00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:46,740
everything once that once kovat happened

431
00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:49,230
everything changed that my thinking had

432
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:51,540
to change I had to you know consult and

433
00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:53,910
talk with a lot of other people to see

434
00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:55,590
what to do you know and see what the

435
00:22:02,300 --> 00:21:57,750
markets going to me and when the right

436
00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:02,310
time to release this is but yeah it's

437
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:07,260
it's coming yeah it's just who's gonna

438
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,050
who's gonna who's gonna be the winner so

439
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:12,840
to speak as far as picking it up right

440
00:22:19,910 --> 00:22:15,510
right well I I can't wait to see it in

441
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:19,920
it just actually when's the last time

442
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:22,650
that you actually sat down and watched

443
00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:25,730
the whole thing all the way through ah

444
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:29,270
three weeks ago three weeks ago yeah and

445
00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:33,570
how do you feel when you watch it um

446
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:37,950
I always feel moved always yeah I mean

447
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:44,220
for the first first year when we had a

448
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:50,460
final cut 20:18 and I cried every single

449
00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:53,640
time for a while it just really moves me

450
00:22:59,800 --> 00:22:55,950
emotionally and then I kind of got

451
00:23:04,160 --> 00:22:59,810
through that part but yeah it's very

452
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,170
emotional it's very it's full of wisdom

453
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:06,720
I'm not in the movie

454
00:23:11,749 --> 00:23:09,330
thank God I chose not to be in the movie

455
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:11,759
and I'm glad because it's not a movie

456
00:23:16,639 --> 00:23:14,190
about me you know what I mean it's about

457
00:23:20,389 --> 00:23:16,649
it's about these kids and this

458
00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:20,399
extraordinary event yeah and I and kudos

459
00:23:25,969 --> 00:23:22,440
to you because a lot of I've seen a lot

460
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:25,979
of documentary filmmakers like to put

461
00:23:31,639 --> 00:23:27,539
themselves right in the middle of the

462
00:23:33,499 --> 00:23:31,649
film names unnamed here but still make

463
00:23:36,259 --> 00:23:33,509
the film be almost as much a part of

464
00:23:38,749 --> 00:23:36,269
them as as the the incident and I'm

465
00:23:41,719 --> 00:23:38,759
really glad that you focused just on you

466
00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:41,729
know the children where they were at and

467
00:23:45,859 --> 00:23:44,099
where they're at now yeah I had a lot of

468
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:45,869
people say oh you should put yourself in

469
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:48,179
the movie it's like now that that

470
00:23:59,869 --> 00:23:53,809
doesn't make sense to me but anyway yeah

471
00:24:04,129 --> 00:23:59,879
the it's their story yeah that's awesome

472
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,139
and of the 43 we've got just one minute

473
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:06,419
here until we're going into break but of

474
00:24:12,889 --> 00:24:10,529
the 43 that you interviewed where where

475
00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:12,899
did you have to go you know in general

476
00:24:18,769 --> 00:24:14,909
how many places did you have to visit to

477
00:24:20,269 --> 00:24:18,779
meet up with these people a lot because

478
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:20,279
they're all over the place but I mean

479
00:24:26,779 --> 00:24:24,570
even in Africa I had to go to you know

480
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,789
Zimbabwe all over South after I'd

481
00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:29,039
literally covered the entire country of

482
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:31,590
South Africa which is rather large it's

483
00:24:37,659 --> 00:24:33,210
a little bigger than the size of Texas

484
00:24:42,379 --> 00:24:37,669
and yeah that was a that was a really

485
00:24:46,399 --> 00:24:42,389
challenging trip to put it mildly yeah

486
00:24:50,269 --> 00:24:46,409
it was I had some moments but yeah all

487
00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:50,279
over the place and then England and then

488
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:52,830
Canada across the United States there

489
00:25:02,180 --> 00:24:58,559
were several several in Canada so it did

490
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:02,190
three trips to Africa and then England's

491
00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:14,090
in Europe people in Germany anyway

492
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:16,460
places amazing a lot of a lot of travel

493
00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:17,690
all right

494
00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:19,790
so hang in everyone we'll be right back

495
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:28,210
tonight his Randall Nickerson and pretty

496
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:31,250
excited about the show and will be

497
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:34,820
taking calls in the last half-hour of

498
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:36,650
this show tonight and I'll put that

499
00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:40,550
number up on the screen and also we do

500
00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:41,960
have a bill helping out behind the

501
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:44,420
scenes and he is going to be screening

502
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:48,350
the calls so here we are back Randall

503
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:54,170
and as far as uh as far as these people

504
00:26:02,140 --> 00:25:57,890
that you interviewed how willing was

505
00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:02,150
most people to actually get involved in

506
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:08,600
this I would say half half yeah I would

507
00:26:18,130 --> 00:26:11,480
say 50% were willing and the other 50%

508
00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:18,140
were didn't want to go on camera or you

509
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:21,260
know they every single one of them had

510
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:23,570
this story but it would it became I

511
00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:26,990
think it really came down to fear of

512
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:30,200
ridicule and you know fear how of how it

513
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:33,410
would affect their careers and things

514
00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:34,090
like that

515
00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:37,430
has anyone ever given you an example of

516
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:39,740
how it's affected them in that way in a

517
00:26:47,050 --> 00:26:45,050
negative way risk ridicule oh yeah I

518
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:47,060
mean even the kids when they were

519
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:50,570
younger you know the everybody around

520
00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:52,310
the area had known it and kids from

521
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:54,980
other schools were calling him names and

522
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,110
joking about oh these are those two the

523
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,080
kids that saw the aliens you know so

524
00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:02,480
they got picked on right away not not

525
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:05,390
all of them but a lot of them yeah and

526
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:09,230
and are there is there a percentage of

527
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:12,050
people that just absolutely do not want

528
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,490
to ever talk about it or think about it

529
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:16,400
as far as you know woof yeah I know

530
00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:18,380
several I mean those are some of the

531
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:24,040
most traumatized people of the kids I

532
00:27:33,870 --> 00:27:27,820
get it I mean I get it like why

533
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:33,880
you know what duty yeah let's talk about

534
00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:37,840
the person that just came forward and

535
00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:40,900
obviously didn't make the film how did

536
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:42,180
all that come about

537
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:45,370
I've been contacting him for years eight

538
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:49,210
years anyway and never got a response

539
00:27:56,670 --> 00:27:52,030
never got a response and then I got an

540
00:28:03,000 --> 00:27:56,680
email I'm sorry I'm actually Facebook

541
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:03,010
and we started he said I want to talk

542
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:06,310
now and I am so we've been starting an

543
00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:07,930
email conversation that's going to be

544
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:11,380
probably very long he was interviewed by

545
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:15,610
John Mack and several other people as

546
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:19,380
well just a really good witness you know

547
00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:21,930
you got a good look at him

548
00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:26,560
Wow now will will you do what you can to

549
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:28,060
make sure that when the film is released

550
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,710
that everyone that was a witness that

551
00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:34,720
you can reach will be aware of it coming

552
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:36,430
out you know the people they did not

553
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:39,850
want to participate yes and I and I hope

554
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:41,800
they come forward and I think they will

555
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:43,720
to be honest I think the aftermath of

556
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:46,300
the film is going to be an awful lot of

557
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:52,690
these people and coming forward I was

558
00:28:58,050 --> 00:28:55,270
wondering that myself and in almost

559
00:29:01,980 --> 00:28:58,060
makes you wonder if there could be some

560
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:01,990
type of a little recap after you know

561
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:05,380
with with some of the people that are

562
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:07,690
will feel more comfortable talking about

563
00:29:13,470 --> 00:29:10,210
it yeah I would like to do that actually

564
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:13,480
if that I want to see what happens after

565
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:18,010
the film and see who comes forward and I

566
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:19,750
have a million other interviews that

567
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:23,260
aren't in the film so but I would really

568
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:24,790
be interested there were several people

569
00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:32,320
that it really kills you when you you do

570
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:34,180
a good in you know you even you talked

571
00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:35,740
to somebody and and you're just thinking

572
00:29:41,899 --> 00:29:38,860
oh my god I I have to get this on tape

573
00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:41,909
and then that person doesn't want to do

574
00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:44,950
and and their story is brilliant and

575
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:50,140
detailed and you know it's just it

576
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:52,409
happened it happened a lot during this

577
00:30:00,210 --> 00:29:56,529
filming I'm sure it did when when time

578
00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,220
goes by you know a lot of people can get

579
00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:02,830
like a distorted memory of something did

580
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:05,350
you see some of that and were people

581
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:10,289
aware of that happening I didn't see it

582
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:14,770
I at all actually I only saw it in kids

583
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:20,169
that were there were a couple kids that

584
00:30:25,769 --> 00:30:22,690
weren't part didn't see it at all or

585
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:25,779
anything but I wanted to be part of this

586
00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:28,440
story you know because they're kids and

587
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:30,700
they were on the other playground or

588
00:30:37,289 --> 00:30:32,529
something and they didn't see that the

589
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,299
entire event happened so I see it I saw

590
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:39,279
that in a few cases but in general I

591
00:30:42,659 --> 00:30:40,890
mean these kids were interviewed and

592
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,669
break you know

593
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:44,320
two days three days after it happened

594
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,020
and then a week later and then two weeks

595
00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:51,039
later and then six months later than

596
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,429
three years later and then then I I

597
00:31:01,980 --> 00:30:58,960
think I was the next one to interview

598
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:01,990
them but I think I missed one news

599
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:03,820
outlet that interviewed them but I mean

600
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:05,529
there can the stories have been

601
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:07,720
consistent since since the beginning

602
00:31:13,049 --> 00:31:10,630
yeah which is that the founding to me it

603
00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:13,059
really is considering you know how young

604
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,500
they were a lot of them were at the time

605
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:17,440
and and the believability of this I'd

606
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:20,169
like to play this clip now of Selma

607
00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:22,570
siddik she was actually I've had her on

608
00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:25,990
the show twice now and Groovy's she's

609
00:31:30,299 --> 00:31:27,429
brilliant so I'm gonna play this clip of

610
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,309
her right now I asked my mom I said you

611
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:32,320
know did you really believe me and she

612
00:31:38,299 --> 00:31:35,470
said well you weren't a child who lied

613
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:38,309
and I may not have believed in what you

614
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:42,610
saw but I believed in you so I guess in

615
00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:45,070
a way I kind of did

616
00:31:51,419 --> 00:31:47,409
my dad doesn't really say too much about

617
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:51,429
it again very supportive in the fact

618
00:31:59,129 --> 00:31:54,970
that he knew that I was not a child who

619
00:32:04,860 --> 00:31:59,139
lied and so therefore supported me may

620
00:32:07,379 --> 00:32:04,870
not necessarily have believed in ufos or

621
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:07,389
extraterrestrial himself but knew enough

622
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:09,730
that I wouldn't make something like that

623
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:14,529
up or let alone be influenced by other

624
00:32:27,450 --> 00:32:26,130
yeah she's great yeah uh yeah I love I

625
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:27,460
love talking to her she's just so

626
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:30,910
well-spoken and and you know some of the

627
00:32:37,530 --> 00:32:33,929
girl yeah some of the things she has

628
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:37,540
said I mean is just you know it's really

629
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:40,030
amazing we need to talk about something

630
00:32:45,539 --> 00:32:43,210
like the beings and the you know the

631
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:45,549
similarities that the the children are

632
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:47,650
saying but you know I remember Selma

633
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:49,929
saying something like almost like a

634
00:32:57,659 --> 00:32:53,290
porcelain type skin you know that these

635
00:32:59,610 --> 00:32:57,669
things had and so bizarre in the I guess

636
00:33:03,870 --> 00:32:59,620
the biggest takeaway that I get from

637
00:33:06,539 --> 00:33:03,880
Selma when I spoke to her in the past

638
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,549
was how difficult it was for her to

639
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:08,559
leave when she was locking eyes with

640
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:12,850
this being and she was concerned about

641
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:15,760
her her sibling or siblings again

642
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:19,179
remember histor yeah so she learned to

643
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:21,700
turn away and see how her sister was and

644
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:23,470
had that she said it was one of the

645
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:24,940
hardest thing she ever did in their life

646
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:28,809
let's turn away from men stare yep a lot

647
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:31,720
of kids went through that yeah mm-hmm

648
00:33:36,919 --> 00:33:34,960
and of the percentage of just a number

649
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:36,929
rough number um how many people actually

650
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:48,930
uh you know that number I don't actually

651
00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:51,910
know I'm guessing it's around 12 or

652
00:33:59,039 --> 00:33:54,940
maybe more but it depends on whether the

653
00:34:00,810 --> 00:33:59,049
the person wanted to share it because

654
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:00,820
that's sort of another stretch right

655
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:03,190
well yeah a lot of the men didn't want

656
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:05,320
to talk about the they're being beings

657
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:07,030
they were fine talking about the

658
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:10,210
spacecraft being there but they didn't

659
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,740
want to talk about the beings and the

660
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:13,119
service act didn't want to talk about

661
00:34:19,619 --> 00:34:16,960
some message coming into their mind so a

662
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:19,629
lot I think I know for a fact that

663
00:34:25,379 --> 00:34:22,690
there's a lot more people that had that

664
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:25,389
experience that are not talking about it

665
00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:29,409
and I hope they do yeah the psalmist

666
00:34:34,169 --> 00:34:32,100
said she just plain didn't have anything

667
00:34:36,089 --> 00:34:34,179
yeah you know

668
00:34:38,669 --> 00:34:36,099
yeah but and I like that's what I love

669
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:38,679
about Salma's she's you know she's very

670
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:40,270
honest and straight with what she knows

671
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:42,250
and doesn't know and that's yeah that's

672
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:45,010
the best kind of witness you know in a

673
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:49,839
way and yeah there's some really great

674
00:35:02,960 --> 00:34:55,800
people in the movie and some great great

675
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:02,970
you know just story and personality and

676
00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:06,220
adventure yeah

677
00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:09,190
can you relay some of what people

678
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:11,500
thought that they were having

679
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:14,650
communicated to them so to them it was

680
00:35:19,319 --> 00:35:16,569
mainly around the environment and what

681
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,329
we were doing to our environment that

682
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:21,839
was primarily the messages that were

683
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:25,690
transmitted through the mind somehow

684
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:33,160
like psychically and a concern of what

685
00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:37,450
we were doing to ourselves well what's

686
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:39,400
job which is amazing to come out of a

687
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:41,970
village a non a village but a very small

688
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:45,700
farm community in Africa you know

689
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,750
granted this this the farm community and

690
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:52,240
the school was mixed race mixed religion

691
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:55,270
I mean it was a perfect place actually

692
00:36:01,049 --> 00:35:57,730
if you if you look at the demographics

693
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:03,120
you got a sampling of just about

694
00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:10,420
everything mm-hmm and what about did any

695
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:13,750
of these children talk about how they

696
00:36:19,859 --> 00:36:16,770
you know with this telepathic

697
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,869
communication that supposedly that they

698
00:36:24,180 --> 00:36:21,760
received did they talk to their parents

699
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,190
about or did was some of them just oh

700
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:26,400
yeah I don't even want to they did oh

701
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:29,170
yeah I mean it was difficult for a lot

702
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:31,390
of the OTO kids that weren't believed

703
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:35,710
that were you know their parents just

704
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,049
didn't believe them and then other kids

705
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:40,480
parents believe them there were there

706
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:43,420
was a paramedic who worked with three of

707
00:36:47,609 --> 00:36:44,650
the kids because they were super

708
00:36:54,019 --> 00:36:50,370
but I spoke to a lot of the parents that

709
00:36:59,969 --> 00:36:54,029
was part of the you know part of

710
00:37:03,920 --> 00:36:59,979
researching this whole thing and that

711
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:03,930
was interesting to see how that happened

712
00:37:11,009 --> 00:37:08,170
how you know the kids were taken by

713
00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:11,019
their parents or and how religion

714
00:37:20,759 --> 00:37:17,829
entered into that fact as well how the

715
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:20,769
religion of the parents affected the

716
00:37:29,489 --> 00:37:22,930
children like some of them or like this

717
00:37:32,759 --> 00:37:29,499
was the devil you know and pretty hard

718
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:32,769
stuff for kids when you really have seen

719
00:37:39,029 --> 00:37:37,150
something you know to be ridiculed and

720
00:37:42,779 --> 00:37:39,039
also not believed by your parents that's

721
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:42,789
that's tough yeah yeah so those there's

722
00:37:48,809 --> 00:37:45,880
basically a lot to deal with it what are

723
00:37:52,529 --> 00:37:48,819
if you can talk about some of the other

724
00:37:58,019 --> 00:37:52,539
people that you have interviewed for

725
00:38:00,719 --> 00:37:58,029
this film actually I interviewed that

726
00:38:03,089 --> 00:38:00,729
are in the film or it doesn't matter if

727
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:03,099
they're in or not okay yeah so that I

728
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:09,180
interviewed at least 150 200 people a

729
00:38:15,959 --> 00:38:14,140
lot of them were the day before Ariel

730
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:15,969
the day before that

731
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:19,450
on the Wednesday people that have

732
00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:21,900
witnessed strange things that whole week

733
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:24,670
so I have a ton of those interviews and

734
00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:27,400
I'm not sure how I'm going to put them

735
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:29,140
out but I'm going to want to put them

736
00:38:40,589 --> 00:38:36,089
out interviewed the teachers interviewed

737
00:38:42,509 --> 00:38:40,599
pilots and that that's a whole

738
00:38:44,789 --> 00:38:42,519
interesting thing too because I am still

739
00:38:47,099 --> 00:38:44,799
waiting to hear back from two other

740
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:47,109
airline pilots that were in the air that

741
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:51,130
night oh yeah three pilots already that

742
00:39:00,220 --> 00:38:56,529
were witnessed this thing in the sky

743
00:39:03,069 --> 00:39:00,230
the night before and

744
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:03,079
so yeah they're you know I interviewed

745
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:05,240
the grounds key I interviewed everybody

746
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:08,690
I could parents and groundskeepers and

747
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:11,690
anybody that had any clue to what had

748
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:14,390
happened you know because I was really

749
00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:17,690
investigating this full-on and I wanted

750
00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:19,220
to know everything about it to see if

751
00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:22,060
there were any holes in it you know as a

752
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:24,589
filmmaker and you know this is my first

753
00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:27,380
feature I sure as heck wanted to make

754
00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:31,480
sure that this was correct you know and

755
00:39:37,329 --> 00:39:35,540
so I spent a lot of time interviewing an

756
00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:37,339
awful lot of people and then also

757
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,180
professional witnesses and you know the

758
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:48,079
the the I'm trying to say Richard Haines

759
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:53,450
and Nick Pope and any of the the top

760
00:40:00,760 --> 00:39:56,510
line people in this field to sort of get

761
00:40:02,859 --> 00:40:00,770
a sense of what their take was on the

762
00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:02,869
whole thing you know I want I was I

763
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:04,940
didn't just make a movie about this

764
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:10,310
school I actually went and studied the

765
00:40:16,329 --> 00:40:13,960
whole phenomena in in in major depth and

766
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:16,339
the other ones I interviewed was of

767
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:19,550
course all the people surrounding John

768
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:23,780
Mack and his life because that was a

769
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:28,160
very big research project in itself on

770
00:40:34,809 --> 00:40:31,810
John dr. John Mack he was the

771
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:34,819
psychiatrist that went over professor of

772
00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:38,079
psychiatry at Harvard who went over to

773
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:41,180
Zimbabwe soon after the event to

774
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:45,560
interview the kids yeah that that whole

775
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:48,380
part is really interesting how he just

776
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:52,780
up and did that you know and there's a

777
00:40:59,079 --> 00:40:55,849
lady in Boston that was with him there I

778
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:59,089
can't remember her name Dominique that's

779
00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:59,680
right

780
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:02,390
yep yeah I've reached out to her a few

781
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:04,609
times and she's just not interested in

782
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:07,880
talking right now about it but yeah very

783
00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:09,890
interesting you know I just had a text

784
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:12,680
up a personal text from a friend of mine

785
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:13,970
that's listening to the show

786
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:16,070
says this is all great he says but I

787
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:17,390
don't know what you people are talking

788
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:22,760
about so I think it would be it wouldn't

789
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:24,260
be a bad idea I know it's a little late

790
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:26,660
in the game here but to give like a

791
00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:28,550
nutshell for there are a lot of

792
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:31,940
first-time listeners and this was back

793
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:34,010
in 1994 if you want to just kind of

794
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:36,170
recap the whole situation if you don't

795
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:38,510
mind and hey there was a long time

796
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:40,930
listener hang in there for this part

797
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:42,050
okay

798
00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:49,010
yeah 9th basic 1994 in a school in rural

799
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:53,780
Zimbabwe the something was in the sky

800
00:42:02,520 --> 00:41:57,890
and then landed down outside the

801
00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:02,530
playground of this primary school and

802
00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:05,300
the children were all on the playground

803
00:42:10,270 --> 00:42:07,940
and watched this thing happened at least

804
00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:10,280
two beings I've heard up to three four

805
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:15,800
but there's basically two beings one had

806
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,780
some kind of hair or covering on his

807
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:20,240
head and the other one was bald and they

808
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:24,470
were sort and were dressed in a black

809
00:42:29,410 --> 00:42:28,190
black skin type suit and one of them at

810
00:42:31,089 --> 00:42:29,420
least one of them approached the

811
00:42:34,329 --> 00:42:31,099
playground and the kids got really

812
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:34,339
freaked out and ran 100 kids ran into

813
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:36,710
the staff meeting that was going on in

814
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:41,869
the school and some of the kids got

815
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,790
messages about the environment during

816
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:45,920
that close encounter with this one

817
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:50,930
particular being and that's pretty much

818
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:53,900
the story and it all goes goes on from

819
00:42:58,329 --> 00:42:56,510
there one of the things that I find

820
00:43:01,060 --> 00:42:58,339
found really fascinating cuz it did a

821
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:01,070
lot of study on it was why were there

822
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:03,050
any other reports of these creatures

823
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:05,770
being in black of heard greys of heard

824
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:09,770
different you know descriptions and the

825
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:13,089
fact that they you know as part of

826
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:15,470
verifying the story for me was like

827
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:18,200
alright has anybody else ever seen these

828
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:20,210
things in black cause that's and there

829
00:43:25,420 --> 00:43:22,220
were there were two cases that I found

830
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:25,430
that they were wearing these black skin

831
00:43:30,359 --> 00:43:27,410
type suits back in the

832
00:43:32,829 --> 00:43:30,369
1960s I think one was in the 70s and

833
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:32,839
there was just a normal if they were

834
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:35,710
gonna make up a story they would have

835
00:43:40,510 --> 00:43:37,970
they wouldn't have him would they

836
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:40,520
wouldn't have had had them in black they

837
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:42,650
were there would have been gray and you

838
00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:45,770
know yeah it's an interesting fact that

839
00:43:52,089 --> 00:43:47,240
and there's a lot of interesting things

840
00:43:54,579 --> 00:43:52,099
that don't fit the media you know don't

841
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:54,589
fit the media explanation of them which

842
00:43:59,740 --> 00:43:56,930
is great because that's what makes it

843
00:44:04,779 --> 00:43:59,750
unique you know in a lot of ways right

844
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:04,789
yeah and so but you did you say there

845
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:07,520
was confusion as far as like some

846
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:09,260
thought they saw them dressed in

847
00:44:16,809 --> 00:44:11,960
something else or are you saying they no

848
00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:16,819
no okay I see yeah now they they were in

849
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:21,700
black yeah in one room I know some some

850
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:24,410
said that they thought one of them had

851
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:27,410
long like long black hair so I have that

852
00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:31,010
rest yeah so John Mack had gone into

853
00:44:35,279 --> 00:44:33,020
conversation with that these children

854
00:44:38,349 --> 00:44:35,289
that were reporting the the hair and

855
00:44:40,569 --> 00:44:38,359
asked them about well what was it here

856
00:44:42,609 --> 00:44:40,579
or was it a covering or and they didn't

857
00:44:46,569 --> 00:44:42,619
really know what it was it was just

858
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:46,579
something that was came down from their

859
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:51,950
head you know yeah so I mean that was a

860
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:54,890
big one for me I'm like I don't think

861
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:57,880
I've ever heard of that before and then

862
00:45:02,799 --> 00:45:00,440
some of the children actually reported

863
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:02,809
right away early on that one of them had

864
00:45:09,059 --> 00:45:05,089
hair the other one didn't the one that

865
00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:12,579
anyway the yeah so that was this has

866
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:14,180
been a lot of those little things you go

867
00:45:20,799 --> 00:45:18,980
well okay let me think about this but

868
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:20,809
yeah but the thing is it's been

869
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:25,190
consistent yeah throughout I remember

870
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:27,170
when I was talking to Selma she said

871
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:29,210
that she could have reached out and

872
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:31,010
touched the being that's how close it

873
00:45:38,410 --> 00:45:36,140
was to her did other other students

874
00:45:40,990 --> 00:45:38,420
actually report the same I mean was this

875
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:41,000
thing right close to a lot of them

876
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:45,200
a larger group yes yeah very large group

877
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,330
and and you know it wasn't just 62 kids

878
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:50,720
by the way there was a lot more that saw

879
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:55,670
this 62 kids that through drawings the

880
00:46:02,490 --> 00:45:59,630
other students were too young and they

881
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:02,500
this is a little inside information the

882
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:06,170
grade ones and twos were not part of

883
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:09,650
that you know that the teachers decided

884
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:12,530
to leave the grade ones and twos out of

885
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:13,700
the whole thing they didn't want to

886
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:16,880
scare them more so Wow

887
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:18,980
yeah that was a big decision I've heard

888
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:20,900
of that yeah yeah nobody knows about

889
00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:27,050
that and now they do so but what was

890
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:29,240
what's interesting about that is that I

891
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:31,670
went down and looked for those grade

892
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:35,570
ones and twos and to find out what they

893
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:38,510
saw and their stories are just as

894
00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:40,850
incredible as the rest of the kids it's

895
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,340
the same story and actually the younger

896
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:45,680
kids I believe saw a lot more because

897
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:50,420
they were out earlier on the playground

898
00:46:59,350 --> 00:46:56,120
which is typical yeah all right well I'm

899
00:47:01,870 --> 00:46:59,360
interested to hear about the pilots what

900
00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:01,880
what are they seeing that I mean what

901
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:07,700
are they saying that they saw they saw a

902
00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:13,520
light in the sky that came across they

903
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:17,240
were at 25,000 feet and it came they saw

904
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:20,110
it on the left off the left wing and

905
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:22,100
they didn't know what it was they

906
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:23,720
thought it was possibly another aircraft

907
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:29,330
and it went right in front of them past

908
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:32,990
at an incredible speed and literally

909
00:47:38,110 --> 00:47:34,820
crossed the horizon and when you're at

910
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:38,120
25,000 feet altitude you have a lot of

911
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:41,270
huge horizon that you can see and that

912
00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:43,370
thing went from one horizon to the other

913
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:47,420
horizon in two seconds well I mean it

914
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:50,180
was they saw it coming and it just went

915
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:52,130
by and they saw it go over the other

916
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:54,260
side of the horizon and it was within

917
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:54,950
the ass

918
00:48:01,120 --> 00:47:57,020
in front of them was in the within the

919
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:01,130
atmosphere for sure so you know that

920
00:48:06,130 --> 00:48:04,700
that and people like those five pilots

921
00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:06,140
wanted to talk about it

922
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:10,280
maybe they didn't forget that what do

923
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,030
you

924
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:13,280
there's no matter what case it is no

925
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:15,650
matter how great it is and I think this

926
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:19,119
is one of the very very top in my book

927
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:24,140
of all cases what are the skeptics how

928
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:25,910
do the skeptics try to explain this one

929
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:28,609
off what are some of the things you've

930
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:33,230
heard I've heard about rocket reentry

931
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:39,530
back in September 14th a couple days

932
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:43,430
before aerial from Russian spy satellite

933
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:48,530
that went up and the rocket body passing

934
00:48:55,450 --> 00:48:50,750
over Africa what's there are there is

935
00:48:58,750 --> 00:48:55,460
evidence for I went to NASA and you know

936
00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:58,760
did a FOIA with them and to try to find

937
00:49:02,770 --> 00:49:00,740
out any information I also did this

938
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,780
whole there's more information coming

939
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:05,599
out of this I can't share yet but I

940
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:06,740
can't wait to share it because it's

941
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,140
pretty mind-blowing but I did a huge

942
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:11,119
investigation into the space program and

943
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:12,650
what the space program was doing at the

944
00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:16,310
time so if if skeptics I think they'll

945
00:49:21,849 --> 00:49:18,619
probably talk about that

946
00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:21,859
and that's okay too you know I doesn't

947
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:23,900
matter to me because I have the pilots

948
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:26,089
on the next night seeing this thing

949
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:29,770
racing across in front of them and then

950
00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:35,270
you know Ariel happened and that was so

951
00:49:44,770 --> 00:49:43,210
talking and hearing about some strange

952
00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:44,780
thing in the sky on the Wednesday it

953
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,480
wasn't there's no evidence that that's

954
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:49,760
where that came from and then Thursday

955
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,040
and then the day after Ariel another

956
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:54,800
event happened so something was going on

957
00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:56,450
there but I don't know how the skeptics

958
00:50:02,859 --> 00:49:59,540
are gonna you know I don't look if the

959
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:02,869
problem the problem with the skeptics is

960
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,450
they're not out in the fields they're

961
00:50:08,859 --> 00:50:07,280
not out there they're not out there

962
00:50:11,019 --> 00:50:08,869
studying it they're not out

963
00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:11,029
they're interviewing people looking at

964
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:14,660
things doing research so just not so I

965
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:16,430
don't I just don't give them any weight

966
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:19,700
you know if they if they don't believe

967
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:23,450
this just fine you know and I don't care

968
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,130
and I just yeah

969
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:28,640
you'll eventually know at some point we

970
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,450
all will right yeah and there's one case

971
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:35,359
of thousands tens of thousands of cases

972
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:37,369
around the globe yes

973
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:40,700
but in it must be your opinion - this is

974
00:50:47,319 --> 00:50:44,150
a pretty darn good one well in the worst

975
00:50:49,890 --> 00:50:47,329
cases yes because in the primary reason

976
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:49,900
is it was filmed

977
00:50:56,589 --> 00:50:53,119
soon afterwards you know that that was

978
00:50:59,620 --> 00:50:56,599
really the interview I mean the

979
00:51:02,819 --> 00:50:59,630
interviews of the kids was done and

980
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:02,829
parents and other interviews were done

981
00:51:11,319 --> 00:51:07,849
early on and and continued for you know

982
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:11,329
three months that's priceless that

983
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:13,910
doesn't happen usually you know yeah but

984
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:18,950
the BBC reporter I mean he really it was

985
00:51:26,739 --> 00:51:22,670
really him who who initiated the

986
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:26,749
importance of it and then he's behind

987
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:30,559
and then john mack was called yeah so

988
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:32,329
there's a whole i can't wait to talk

989
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:34,130
about oh I can't wait till the movies

990
00:51:38,529 --> 00:51:36,410
out so I can really tell you everything

991
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:38,539
because I really would say fascinating

992
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:41,930
story just the details that I aren't in

993
00:51:49,269 --> 00:51:45,470
the movie and the ones I really want to

994
00:51:51,789 --> 00:51:49,279
share that are I just can't talk about

995
00:51:54,759 --> 00:51:51,799
until it's released well yeah

996
00:52:00,539 --> 00:51:54,769
well we all want to see that - what

997
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:00,549
happened the day after there was a

998
00:52:12,999 --> 00:52:09,109
driver from the school who he left the

999
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:13,009
school and he ran into these creatures

1000
00:52:20,140 --> 00:52:17,839
on the road and he was so really these

1001
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:20,150
creatures on the road according to him

1002
00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:25,720
he swerved a way to get unit so he

1003
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:30,230
wouldn't hit them and he has his truck

1004
00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:35,390
went over the embankment and he didn't

1005
00:52:41,820 --> 00:52:38,119
know and he was a you know a native

1006
00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:41,830
there in one of the villages and you

1007
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:43,940
know he didn't know if they were his

1008
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,310
ancestors or what they were you know

1009
00:52:52,359 --> 00:52:50,480
alien I mean the reason he did talk to

1010
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:52,369
John Mack about it because he thought

1011
00:52:57,970 --> 00:52:55,490
they were were potentially may have been

1012
00:53:00,490 --> 00:52:57,980
aliens and something that that the kids

1013
00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:00,500
had seen the day before but there were

1014
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:11,050
yeah I'd have to I have to go over him

1015
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:12,710
but there was a woman missing for 24

1016
00:53:16,570 --> 00:53:13,430
hours

1017
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:16,580
really huh yep during that time period

1018
00:53:23,290 --> 00:53:19,990
and this was all in the same area yeah

1019
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:23,300
yeah that's another thing that's kind of

1020
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:26,510
puzzling to me is when something happens

1021
00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:29,260
in the same area repeatedly when

1022
00:53:33,849 --> 00:53:31,700
whatever they are you talk about moving

1023
00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:33,859
two seconds from Horizon to rock you

1024
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,270
know from one side of the rise into the

1025
00:53:40,990 --> 00:53:37,359
next they could go anywhere they want

1026
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:41,000
yet they're there in this particular

1027
00:53:46,270 --> 00:53:44,600
area and it makes you wonder why and

1028
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:46,280
that that goes for a lot of UFO

1029
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:48,680
incidents that are you know Rendlesham

1030
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:51,650
forest say and any of those just in one

1031
00:53:57,010 --> 00:53:54,350
area a lot of things happening very

1032
00:54:01,690 --> 00:53:57,020
strata true and you know these things

1033
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:01,700
can move at incredible speeds and you

1034
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:04,900
know you think you're they can you know

1035
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:09,230
could be in Japan and one you know at

1036
00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:11,810
one one second and and in the United

1037
00:54:23,980 --> 00:54:16,820
States and in a couple seconds yeah you

1038
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:23,990
know and that there yeah so it does make

1039
00:54:30,190 --> 00:54:27,500
you wonder why they focus on an area if

1040
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:30,200
this is the and it sounds like you know

1041
00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:31,400
there was a while you said there was a

1042
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:34,040
lot of things going on there you don't

1043
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:36,110
think any of it was hysteria

1044
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:39,860
or anything like that I well mate there

1045
00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:44,660
could have been some I'm sure but for

1046
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:46,580
the most part P everybody I talked to

1047
00:55:01,720 --> 00:54:57,730
now there was a there was controversy

1048
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:01,730
and maybe can clear this up someone had

1049
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:03,740
told me that a teacher had come forward

1050
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:05,840
recently do you know anything about that

1051
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:11,390
and said that she was a witness true it

1052
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:14,750
is true mm-hmm have you spoken to her

1053
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:19,610
yes and did that make the film was that

1054
00:55:27,850 --> 00:55:23,630
after the film no that was it's in the

1055
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:27,860
film yeah okay all right you sound

1056
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:31,850
hesitant to give that away I am you know

1057
00:55:38,590 --> 00:55:34,310
well there was a lot of decision around

1058
00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:38,600
I mean that was pretty big deal that not

1059
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:42,080
just one but I think two had seen this

1060
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:45,770
thing and the one that I'm absolutely

1061
00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:48,170
100% positive did see it

1062
00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:51,070
because the kids reported she saw it

1063
00:55:55,570 --> 00:55:53,870
passed away she left the school two

1064
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:55,580
weeks later and then she passed away a

1065
00:56:02,950 --> 00:55:58,130
year later oh you know she was she was

1066
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:02,960
older and in her 70s or 80s and uhm yeah

1067
00:56:11,410 --> 00:56:07,730
and the other the other teacher I I knew

1068
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:11,420
when I first interviewed her that the

1069
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:14,570
way she was pointing out where

1070
00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:19,450
everything was was as if she had seen it

1071
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:23,300
and that struck me and then when I went

1072
00:56:29,230 --> 00:56:26,750
back again to Africa she finally said

1073
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:29,240
she said actually saw it I just was too

1074
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:33,890
embarrassed to say say it you know where

1075
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:36,170
did that information come from that a

1076
00:56:41,650 --> 00:56:39,770
teacher it was going around when I was

1077
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,660
at a UFO conference people were talking

1078
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,960
about it yeah that's true yeah how about

1079
00:56:47,579 --> 00:56:46,880
that yeah I was trying to keep that

1080
00:56:50,429 --> 00:56:47,589
secret

1081
00:56:53,249 --> 00:56:50,439
sorry about okay this is what's called

1082
00:56:56,939 --> 00:56:53,259
live live radio it just adds credibility

1083
00:57:00,959 --> 00:56:56,949
to the whole thing you know yeah yeah

1084
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:00,969
and so let's talk about you in you

1085
00:57:06,449 --> 00:57:02,650
interviewed other teachers too

1086
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:06,459
so what was that like for them when all

1087
00:57:13,319 --> 00:57:08,890
of a sudden all these kids came come

1088
00:57:17,249 --> 00:57:13,329
running in what did they have to say

1089
00:57:19,739 --> 00:57:17,259
about that whole situation I think it

1090
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:19,749
was pretty there was a few that were

1091
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:22,180
just believed the kids 100% and then I

1092
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:24,910
think it through a lot of the children

1093
00:57:30,179 --> 00:57:27,930
and I'm sorry a lot of the teachers

1094
00:57:31,769 --> 00:57:30,189
threw them off quite a bit I mean that

1095
00:57:34,289 --> 00:57:31,779
you have kids coming in saying there

1096
00:57:38,999 --> 00:57:34,299
there's a UFO and aliens out on the

1097
00:57:41,429 --> 00:57:39,009
playground what do you you know you can

1098
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:41,439
see it in the interviews of the of the

1099
00:57:47,999 --> 00:57:45,420
of the teachers you know some were

1100
00:57:50,249 --> 00:57:48,009
disbelief believe there was actually one

1101
00:57:53,009 --> 00:57:50,259
teacher who disbelieved it and I

1102
00:57:54,959 --> 00:57:53,019
actually tracked him down because I

1103
00:57:57,749 --> 00:57:54,969
wanted to know what he thought you know

1104
00:58:00,359 --> 00:57:57,759
he was one teacher that thought they

1105
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,369
were maybe the kids had made it up and I

1106
00:58:06,029 --> 00:58:02,559
found him and he was still at the school

1107
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:06,039
and I interviewed him and I said well

1108
00:58:10,949 --> 00:58:08,920
what do you think about it you know I'm

1109
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:10,959
gonna I'll put that video up at some

1110
00:58:16,289 --> 00:58:14,319
point you know because he didn't believe

1111
00:58:19,469 --> 00:58:16,299
it back then and I asked him well what

1112
00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:19,479
changed you know what why you believe it

1113
00:58:24,299 --> 00:58:22,660
now and he said yes it happened and I

1114
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,309
said well what changed your mind and he

1115
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:26,559
said that consists of the consistency of

1116
00:58:34,259 --> 00:58:32,170
the stories over time Wow so that was

1117
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:34,269
interesting and but yeah he had all

1118
00:58:47,189 --> 00:58:44,249
yeah I mean whose idea was it one of the

1119
00:58:53,669 --> 00:58:47,199
teachers ideas to have them start

1120
00:58:58,709 --> 00:58:53,679
drawing on they saw I think accident

1121
00:59:01,620 --> 00:58:58,719
well that came from the BBC reporter

1122
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:01,630
contacted Cynthia hind

1123
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:06,550
and behind called the school and had an

1124
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:10,650
asked at make sure they did drawings

1125
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,010
smart move yes yeah I was her job she

1126
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:17,200
was a journalist and and a researcher

1127
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:21,550
and - it's too bad I didn't get to meet

1128
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:24,180
her before she died

1129
00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:28,150
yeah well and people you know just for

1130
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:29,620
the people listening to the show if you

1131
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:35,790
just google basically this incident rua

1132
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:38,110
ariel school incident you'll see a lot

1133
00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:39,490
and there's actually some drawings on

1134
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:43,230
your website too right yeah and that's a

1135
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:45,310
nozzle get there

1136
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:48,640
yeah aerial phenomenon calm yeah they

1137
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:51,390
are ie L which is the name of the school

1138
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:54,130
now I think it's great that I mean have

1139
00:59:59,580 --> 00:59:56,140
you actually seen some of these drawings

1140
01:00:03,960 --> 00:59:59,590
in person I mean that that was that's it

1141
01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:03,970
they saved but yeah pretty amazing mmm

1142
01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:05,740
and I wonder it when when a lot of them

1143
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:08,230
brought them home if their parents you

1144
01:00:12,450 --> 01:00:10,210
know said hey you know throw that out or

1145
01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:12,460
wonder if that type of thing happened to

1146
01:00:17,850 --> 01:00:14,470
some of them I don't think any of those

1147
01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:17,860
pictures went at home I see I know a lot

1148
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:19,750
of the kids even today are like where's

1149
01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:24,010
my by drawing you know and it's it's uh

1150
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:26,470
I've had several moments where I find

1151
01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:29,920
their drawing and I send it to them you

1152
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:31,870
know what they're like I don't remember

1153
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:35,380
what I drew but I knew I drew so there's

1154
01:00:40,830 --> 01:00:37,870
still several people I have to to get

1155
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:40,840
though those drawings to yeah once I

1156
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:44,110
once the films out I'll definitely send

1157
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:50,770
it to the kids kids but yeah yeah feels

1158
01:00:56,730 --> 01:00:54,670
like I have my family like that there

1159
01:00:59,580 --> 01:00:56,740
you get a you could get you know you

1160
01:01:01,980 --> 01:00:59,590
have pretty good relationships and you

1161
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:01,990
know deep conversations with people

1162
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:04,270
around this and you get to know them

1163
01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:08,290
over such a long time yeah and you say

1164
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:11,350
it's a long time to use when you were

1165
01:01:14,830 --> 01:01:13,480
doing these interviews do you spend like

1166
01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:14,840
a day with

1167
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:17,180
someone and then you know oh yeah yeah

1168
01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:20,810
I'm ridiculous when it comes to I shoot

1169
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:26,120
and shoot and shoot and yeah but that's

1170
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:29,210
how I I know I can get a good interview

1171
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:33,140
as well is time if people are anxious in

1172
01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:35,810
the beginning and once they start to

1173
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:39,560
calm down then things really the

1174
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,590
interview really relaxes you know yeah

1175
01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:44,000
and you can feel it

1176
01:01:49,570 --> 01:01:46,820
you know they're not on the spot and

1177
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:49,580
that's uh that's something I know and

1178
01:01:59,050 --> 01:01:53,870
and do and little training in psychology

1179
01:02:00,790 --> 01:01:59,060
helps not for sure yeah I I look at it

1180
01:02:04,690 --> 01:02:00,800
as a therapy session actually when I do

1181
01:02:05,110 --> 01:02:04,700
an interview sure yeah yeah and I bet it

1182
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:05,120
is

1183
01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:09,950
and sometimes it's therapy for me you

1184
01:02:14,110 --> 01:02:12,680
know it's uh I've heard it said that a

1185
01:02:15,610 --> 01:02:14,120
lot of times people just want to be

1186
01:02:18,550 --> 01:02:15,620
heard they want to be able to tell

1187
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:18,560
they're strong and you know they're not

1188
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:22,040
necessarily on film you know but so they

1189
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,410
just they just want it they want it to

1190
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:26,960
be heard and yeah the best thing you can

1191
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:27,670
do is listen

1192
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:32,690
yeah sorry go ahead no no it's true yeah

1193
01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:36,710
and so I think this is a you know like I

1194
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:39,470
said earlier this to me is one of the

1195
01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:41,000
most and I thought it right from the

1196
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:42,830
very beginning the first time I watched

1197
01:02:47,110 --> 01:02:45,590
you know John Max interviews way back

1198
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:47,120
when I first started looking into this

1199
01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:49,910
topic I thought oh my you know what

1200
01:02:54,790 --> 01:02:52,180
could be better than this is all these

1201
01:02:56,650 --> 01:02:54,800
you know children basically saying that

1202
01:03:00,280 --> 01:02:56,660
you know the same thing or something

1203
01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:00,290
very similar nothing about it seemed to

1204
01:03:05,110 --> 01:03:01,820
be a hoax and the thing that I think is

1205
01:03:08,290 --> 01:03:05,120
kind of funny is that the teacher that

1206
01:03:10,060 --> 01:03:08,300
believed that you know nothing was was

1207
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:10,070
going on that there was something that

1208
01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:10,970
they made up

1209
01:03:15,220 --> 01:03:13,400
how could anyone orchestrate something

1210
01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:15,230
like that you know I mean for all these

1211
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:18,080
kids to have such a consistent story

1212
01:03:28,329 --> 01:03:22,010
it's impossible yeah I can't see I I

1213
01:03:32,259 --> 01:03:28,339
went down that road of hoax and cycle

1214
01:03:35,019 --> 01:03:32,269
I had teachers look at these interviews

1215
01:03:36,849 --> 01:03:35,029
of the kids I had psychiatrists look at

1216
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:36,859
the interviews of the kids for

1217
01:03:44,499 --> 01:03:42,309
telling the truth and they you know I

1218
01:03:46,299 --> 01:03:44,509
did my work on that and they totally

1219
01:03:47,799 --> 01:03:46,309
agreed that they were they felt they

1220
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:47,809
were being completely honest their body

1221
01:03:55,779 --> 01:03:52,640
languages were correct little things

1222
01:03:58,779 --> 01:03:55,789
that just gave away through the face and

1223
01:04:04,120 --> 01:03:58,789
eye movements that this day were telling

1224
01:04:06,759 --> 01:04:04,130
the truth yeah so yeah and you know we

1225
01:04:09,609 --> 01:04:06,769
as the public out there and what we can

1226
01:04:11,859 --> 01:04:09,619
find on YouTube to see the John Mac

1227
01:04:15,130 --> 01:04:11,869
interviews of these children did you

1228
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,140
actually get to look at the archives of

1229
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:17,359
all the footage or most of the footage

1230
01:04:23,979 --> 01:04:21,710
oh yeah I've done everything yeah and

1231
01:04:25,630 --> 01:04:23,989
and I bet a lot of it is like you know I

1232
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:25,640
can understand how people have to edit

1233
01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:29,599
things out and you know but how many

1234
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:31,390
hours of footage would you say there was

1235
01:04:41,019 --> 01:04:36,410
um a six hundred total but a lot of that

1236
01:04:43,779 --> 01:04:41,029
was B roll Wow and then archival II I

1237
01:04:46,690 --> 01:04:43,789
think there's thirty or thirty or forty

1238
01:04:49,809 --> 01:04:46,700
hours and then you talk about your own

1239
01:04:52,029 --> 01:04:49,819
your own film but I mean what about max

1240
01:04:55,950 --> 01:04:52,039
filming how much did you have to look

1241
01:05:01,180 --> 01:04:55,960
how many hours of filming did he do uh

1242
01:05:09,269 --> 01:05:01,190
let me think about that I would say he

1243
01:05:13,150 --> 01:05:09,279
did it probably four or five hours no

1244
01:05:15,969 --> 01:05:13,160
okay that was his and then there's all

1245
01:05:20,049 --> 01:05:15,979
these other news outlets and reporters

1246
01:05:22,839 --> 01:05:20,059
yeah but yeah I've been through all of

1247
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,849
it but you know you you keep mentioning

1248
01:05:27,579 --> 01:05:25,039
the BBC that interview and I know that's

1249
01:05:30,839 --> 01:05:27,589
really important but I think it you know

1250
01:05:34,959 --> 01:05:30,849
to have a someone with the the degree of

1251
01:05:36,819 --> 01:05:34,969
of psychology that John Mac had you know

1252
01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:36,829
from Harvard I mean just the way he

1253
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:39,380
talked to those kids you know I was just

1254
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:42,260
so comfortable I mean he made them feel

1255
01:05:47,490 --> 01:05:44,090
as comfortable as possible miss

1256
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:47,500
qualities he was 20 years as a child

1257
01:05:55,450 --> 01:05:52,400
psychiatrist yeah so yeah he and his

1258
01:06:00,550 --> 01:05:55,460
what he added there was a different you

1259
01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:00,560
know much different question and answer

1260
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:03,140
you know much more relaxed and you know

1261
01:06:07,930 --> 01:06:05,200
that he wasn't he was a professional and

1262
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:07,940
John being there you know I don't know

1263
01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:09,560
if we would have heard about this case

1264
01:06:16,450 --> 01:06:15,140
at all right John didn't go there and do

1265
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:16,460
his own interviews I don't know what

1266
01:06:20,770 --> 01:06:18,050
would have happened if this would have

1267
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:20,780
ever come up because and there's so many

1268
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:26,450
cases like that that that that just get

1269
01:06:32,140 --> 01:06:29,560
glossed over and are forgotten about

1270
01:06:33,820 --> 01:06:32,150
yeah because the right people aren't

1271
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:33,830
contacted or the right people aren't

1272
01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:37,010
there ya know I get sometimes up I'll

1273
01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:38,660
get from a listener they'll send me a

1274
01:06:44,530 --> 01:06:41,000
story I never heard of and it's you know

1275
01:06:46,180 --> 01:06:44,540
some pretty amazing UFO stories and

1276
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:46,190
mystery that you know are talked about

1277
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:49,010
you know we kind of go back to the you

1278
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:51,410
know the Roswell the ones that you know

1279
01:06:55,630 --> 01:06:53,570
keep coming up over and over again but

1280
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:55,640
yeah there's a lot of really fascinating

1281
01:07:01,450 --> 01:06:58,400
stories and speaking of that there's a

1282
01:07:03,730 --> 01:07:01,460
lot of schoolyard stories oh yeah

1283
01:07:06,460 --> 01:07:03,740
and have it has that have you looked

1284
01:07:10,060 --> 01:07:06,470
into others just out of curiosity I went

1285
01:07:13,630 --> 01:07:10,070
to Wales where the broad haven incident

1286
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:13,640
happened 15 kids witnessed this thing by

1287
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:16,960
the seward's plan area behind the school

1288
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:19,970
and in a bunch of people in town I went

1289
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:22,670
there talked to three of the witnesses

1290
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:26,030
and they're all credible but they didn't

1291
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:28,610
want to go on camera I interviewed one

1292
01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:31,610
of the teachers and I got all their

1293
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:35,270
drawings from what all the kids drew

1294
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:37,390
from broad haven and it's amazingly

1295
01:07:42,790 --> 01:07:40,970
similar to Ariel and what year was so

1296
01:07:48,010 --> 01:07:42,800
amazing that was 77

1297
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:48,020
mm-hmm yeah so I looked into that and

1298
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:51,530
then I started collecting and receiving

1299
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:54,080
newspaper articles from somebody that

1300
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:55,610
was very helpful

1301
01:08:01,450 --> 01:07:58,690
of all the sightings around the world

1302
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:01,460
that were happened at primary schools

1303
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:06,160
and and there's a dud there's a dozen

1304
01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:09,530
anyway yeah I think there's even more

1305
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:13,220
than then probably you know had someone

1306
01:08:18,220 --> 01:08:14,990
that wrote a book about that was on this

1307
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:18,230
show oh my god oh yeah nice guy I just

1308
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:21,440
can't think of it I apologize to him

1309
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:25,310
yeah but yeah very interesting and it

1310
01:08:28,540 --> 01:08:27,680
makes you wonder you know the

1311
01:08:30,790 --> 01:08:28,550
impressionable

1312
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:30,800
you know nuns and that's what you have

1313
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:32,710
when you have children impressionable

1314
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:35,030
and you know I don't think that's an

1315
01:08:42,130 --> 01:08:37,970
accident I don't think so either

1316
01:08:45,550 --> 01:08:42,140
I think primary schools are yeah that

1317
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:45,560
that age you're absolutely right

1318
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:49,430
that affects their entire lifetime yeah

1319
01:08:55,390 --> 01:08:52,460
and people are already the younger crowd

1320
01:09:00,400 --> 01:08:55,400
anyway are already super open-minded

1321
01:09:02,770 --> 01:09:00,410
about this and that's just going to

1322
01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:02,780
carry forward until we finally just say

1323
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:06,830
okay yeah they're here you know it's

1324
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,210
it's kind of funny it's like a lot of

1325
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:11,120
times I'll I'll say personally on this

1326
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:12,770
show well you know I'm not saying it's

1327
01:09:17,830 --> 01:09:15,470
aliens you know we don't know what it is

1328
01:09:20,130 --> 01:09:17,840
and all that but when it comes to this

1329
01:09:23,380 --> 01:09:20,140
particular case the aerial phenomenon I

1330
01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:23,390
don't think you can say it's much other

1331
01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:26,540
than I I can't you know

1332
01:09:31,330 --> 01:09:28,550
if it's someone from the future you know

1333
01:09:33,730 --> 01:09:31,340
that would be amazing to you know from a

1334
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:33,740
billion years in the future whenever but

1335
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:37,370
uh you know it it's definitely there's

1336
01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:39,530
some type of alien whether they're alien

1337
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:41,720
to us for sure whatever they was

1338
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:44,060
described by those children and what

1339
01:09:49,690 --> 01:09:47,210
they saw so I mean that is a that's a

1340
01:09:52,270 --> 01:09:49,700
case where I have to say it's probably

1341
01:09:53,650 --> 01:09:52,280
aliens you know I mean mm-hm

1342
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:53,660
I don't know what else would make sense

1343
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:57,350
I don't either to be honest if nothing

1344
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:59,270
got out of that thing it would be a

1345
01:10:05,650 --> 01:10:00,560
totally different story

1346
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:05,660
yeah things did yeah yeah I remember

1347
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:08,210
some of the descriptions like one was on

1348
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:09,000
top of the

1349
01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:11,490
disk is that right that's correct yeah

1350
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:17,580
and you know and it was to just two or

1351
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:29,900
usually there's four four okay mm-hmm

1352
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,760
and what at least and what that number

1353
01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:38,640
four came up over and over and over in

1354
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:41,160
interviews that of people that didn't

1355
01:10:50,170 --> 01:10:46,140
want to go on camera I thought that yeah

1356
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:50,180
so I know that's probably the case and

1357
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:54,570
you know there was at least one or two

1358
01:11:01,960 --> 01:10:57,840
that had stayed back by the craft itself

1359
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:01,970
and the other at least two approached

1360
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:05,880
yeah well it wasn't more than two that

1361
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:07,590
approach and then there's the one that

1362
01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:12,330
that he was Francis was talking about

1363
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:15,030
about it running across the field that

1364
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,080
was witnessed by a lot of people and in

1365
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:22,140
the same way that it ran and it would

1366
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:24,050
appear disappear

1367
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:28,350
you bizarre bizarre bizarre things yeah

1368
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,550
the whole thing was bizarre anyway yeah

1369
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:33,840
and you know the one thing that I've

1370
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:36,320
never really heard anyone talk about is

1371
01:11:45,170 --> 01:11:41,040
did they hang out until these beings got

1372
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:45,180
back inside the no disk so they they

1373
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:46,500
just took off

1374
01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:48,810
did nobody that was like did they like

1375
01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:51,390
in a herd did everyone just like oh yeah

1376
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,790
of a sudden everybody ran into the

1377
01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:56,640
school yeah and just left them all out

1378
01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:00,900
there I'm just surprised at any of the

1379
01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:03,080
teachers want to go out and take a look

1380
01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:07,260
two of them did oh and it's these these

1381
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:11,870
two those are the witnesses yeah I see I

1382
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:13,860
can't wait to hear that story

1383
01:12:23,390 --> 01:12:17,870
yeah they're for the yeah

1384
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:23,400
yeah well so yeah I mean I don't

1385
01:12:32,540 --> 01:12:26,430
immediately think everything's alien or

1386
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:32,550
you know myself either I uh a lot of

1387
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:34,500
news has come out in the last two years

1388
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:48,080
but it but go ahead no no no I wanted

1389
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:50,940
you to continue your thought there yeah

1390
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:58,770
I think I think we're seeing you know

1391
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:01,860
things things happening for sure and I

1392
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:06,480
don't consider this these things a

1393
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:11,130
threat necessarily I know there's a bent

1394
01:13:17,330 --> 01:13:15,690
on that this is a threat and good luck

1395
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:17,340
if we're gonna pick a fight with those

1396
01:13:25,940 --> 01:13:19,890
guys or whoever young things are yeah I

1397
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:25,950
mean no we have zero chance zero and I

1398
01:13:30,860 --> 01:13:29,280
know you hear stories of like you know

1399
01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:30,870
maybe he was sure Chartres is like that

1400
01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:33,680
I mean those that that be the last thing

1401
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:36,240
you'd want to do to something like that

1402
01:13:42,170 --> 01:13:40,110
but I guess if you have so are you

1403
01:13:47,690 --> 01:13:42,180
talking about like what has happened

1404
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:47,700
since the Pentagon has you know yeah New

1405
01:13:57,260 --> 01:13:50,730
York Times yeah what the Keene and yeah

1406
01:14:00,020 --> 01:13:57,270
the Pentagon loo and you know Harry Reid

1407
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:00,030
just did a podcast that was very

1408
01:14:10,220 --> 01:14:07,620
interesting quite revealing and I think

1409
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:10,230
the stories out you know the stories out

1410
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:14,190
in a lot of ways and it's not just new

1411
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:16,530
you know this has gone back for decades

1412
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:20,330
and decades and then you know I get why

1413
01:14:25,610 --> 01:14:24,030
the people and that first figured out

1414
01:14:27,059 --> 01:14:25,620
that this was something coming from

1415
01:14:31,029 --> 01:14:27,069
somewhere else

1416
01:14:33,339 --> 01:14:31,039
kept it a secret I get it and what the

1417
01:14:35,259 --> 01:14:33,349
same thing because it's so disturbing on

1418
01:14:42,959 --> 01:14:35,269
so many levels and they've had to evolve

1419
01:14:46,139 --> 01:14:42,969
us to consider the the outer space and

1420
01:14:51,369 --> 01:14:46,149
creatures from other worlds through

1421
01:14:57,029 --> 01:14:51,379
movies and things like that but I think

1422
01:15:02,409 --> 01:15:00,159
there's forward motion on the whole

1423
01:15:04,689 --> 01:15:02,419
topic and it's something that we should

1424
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:04,699
all be like we're concerned with Cove is

1425
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:06,169
right now you know and it's like

1426
01:15:10,389 --> 01:15:08,510
everybody in the world we're all

1427
01:15:14,049 --> 01:15:10,399
together we're all going through the

1428
01:15:16,569 --> 01:15:14,059
same thing and I kind of feel like

1429
01:15:19,109 --> 01:15:16,579
that's what it's going to take for all

1430
01:15:21,869 --> 01:15:19,119
of us when we really come to terms with

1431
01:15:25,109 --> 01:15:21,879
this other presence out there in space

1432
01:15:27,819 --> 01:15:25,119
that's coming here I really feel like

1433
01:15:29,109 --> 01:15:27,829
that's going to be a world moment that

1434
01:15:31,089 --> 01:15:29,119
we're all going to share because it's

1435
01:15:32,589 --> 01:15:31,099
about all of us it has to do with every

1436
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:32,599
single one of us whether you've seen one

1437
01:15:42,429 --> 01:15:40,729
of these things or not yeah yeah I just

1438
01:15:46,929 --> 01:15:42,439
wanna I'm gonna give myself a little bit

1439
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:46,939
of a plug here because I I've been

1440
01:15:51,009 --> 01:15:49,489
painting a lot since uh since this whole

1441
01:15:52,629 --> 01:15:51,019
thing actually I've sent you a couple

1442
01:15:55,509 --> 01:15:52,639
pictures of some paintings that I've

1443
01:15:56,739 --> 01:15:55,519
done but I tried to do I'm a little

1444
01:16:00,309 --> 01:15:56,749
embarrassed by this one because you

1445
01:16:02,829 --> 01:16:00,319
can't make the gimbal UFO look right I

1446
01:16:04,299 --> 01:16:02,839
tried or make it look like a pretty

1447
01:16:14,949 --> 01:16:04,309
painting here it is I'm gonna bring it

1448
01:16:19,989 --> 01:16:14,959
up here see this is it I guess you can't

1449
01:16:22,809 --> 01:16:19,999
really see it but it yeah that is it's

1450
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:22,819
ugly you can't make that a really good

1451
01:16:29,409 --> 01:16:25,010
painting but there it is

1452
01:16:31,899 --> 01:16:29,419
so anyway my websites Martin Willis art

1453
01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:31,909
comm and if you enter the coupon code

1454
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:34,369
UFO you get 50% off

1455
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:38,169
there's my little plug on any painting

1456
01:16:42,810 --> 01:16:39,840
but

1457
01:16:45,450 --> 01:16:42,820
yeah that that whole situation has

1458
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:45,460
really certainly opened the door and I

1459
01:16:52,290 --> 01:16:49,510
just feel I do feel like even lately

1460
01:16:55,140 --> 01:16:52,300
that the ball is rolling in the

1461
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:55,150
direction that you know call a

1462
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:57,010
disclosure call it whatever you want but

1463
01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:01,360
I don't think the world's is not coming

1464
01:17:05,729 --> 01:17:03,790
apart because of the possibilities that

1465
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:05,739
you know No

1466
01:17:11,340 --> 01:17:09,130
yeah and and I've had conversations with

1467
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:11,350
a lot of pilots Air Force pilots and

1468
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:16,090
Pentagon pilots and a lot of people

1469
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:17,830
lieutenant Colonel's stuff like that

1470
01:17:30,450 --> 01:17:24,250
just in the last three years and man if

1471
01:17:32,750 --> 01:17:30,460
they know yeah I I watched up recently i

1472
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:32,760
watch that I had to fill up mantle on

1473
01:17:39,060 --> 01:17:36,450
was last week of the week before and and

1474
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:39,070
he is in a series called the alien

1475
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:42,730
autopsy basically secrets revealed and

1476
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:45,250
it's a series you can buy on prime

1477
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:48,550
Amazon Prime for like $4.99 so I bought

1478
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:49,690
it and I watched it and it's actually

1479
01:17:55,650 --> 01:17:53,440
really really good and I I'd suggest you

1480
01:18:00,450 --> 01:17:55,660
know anyone go over there and and and

1481
01:18:03,570 --> 01:18:00,460
watch it and but it's kind of you know

1482
01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:03,580
like all these things that just seemed

1483
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:05,980
to be coming and by the way the alien

1484
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:10,180
autopsy film is a hoax and and Ray

1485
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,850
Santilli is brazen just saying no it's

1486
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:15,040
real it's really quite amazing to watch

1487
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:18,460
him but but anyway I do I did want to

1488
01:18:23,130 --> 01:18:20,170
give that plug to Philip because it's a

1489
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:23,140
really good well worth watching I love

1490
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:25,510
the old footage and watching the old

1491
01:18:31,260 --> 01:18:28,690
footage of so many like Kehoe and so

1492
01:18:33,390 --> 01:18:31,270
many of those people that were trying to

1493
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:33,400
make you know a difference back in the

1494
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,630
day and you know here we are you know 50

1495
01:18:42,990 --> 01:18:40,000
some odd years 60 years later still

1496
01:18:44,729 --> 01:18:43,000
still talking about it again but but I

1497
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:44,739
do feel like there is a forward motion

1498
01:18:49,950 --> 01:18:47,650
anyway yeah those they mean so many

1499
01:18:52,770 --> 01:18:49,960
people over the years so since back then

1500
01:18:55,650 --> 01:18:52,780
have put everything on the line

1501
01:18:57,810 --> 01:18:55,660
the reputations their careers I mean

1502
01:19:00,690 --> 01:18:57,820
it's stunning when you look at all the

1503
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:00,700
people that have come before these

1504
01:19:09,150 --> 01:19:05,850
moments you know who really fought for

1505
01:19:11,940 --> 01:19:09,160
disclosure for to the rest of the world

1506
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:11,950
ya know yeah you're right they put

1507
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:13,840
everything on the line for that you know

1508
01:19:19,890 --> 01:19:16,210
and you know John Mack was a perfect

1509
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:19,900
example absolutely and the you know I

1510
01:19:23,970 --> 01:19:22,090
know you've looked a lot you've done

1511
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:23,980
some work with the John Mack Institute

1512
01:19:30,990 --> 01:19:26,380
haven't you heard yeah yeah

1513
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,000
yeah and you know if he wasn't a tenured

1514
01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:32,880
professor he would have been out

1515
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:40,150
basically likely yeah mm-hmm yeah so and

1516
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,770
they were threatening to take his tenure

1517
01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:43,120
away they were

1518
01:19:49,940 --> 01:19:47,500
yeah yeah that's amazing and an indigo

1519
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:49,950
that wouldn't happen today I don't think

1520
01:19:57,570 --> 01:19:53,440
he'd probably not but you know their

1521
01:20:01,550 --> 01:19:57,580
intention was to destroy his reputation

1522
01:20:04,650 --> 01:20:01,560
that was really what the goal was

1523
01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:04,660
yeah food through what happened through

1524
01:20:09,660 --> 01:20:07,900
the whole sort of witch trial thing the

1525
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:09,670
their main goal was to discredit him

1526
01:20:16,860 --> 01:20:14,110
yeah but he persevered he got the ruler

1527
01:20:19,530 --> 01:20:16,870
to beard I think it did hit him a little

1528
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:19,540
bit I think it did hurt his reputation

1529
01:20:26,850 --> 01:20:24,490
yeah a bit but yeah he did persevere

1530
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:26,860
yeah and I wonder what he would have

1531
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:28,750
done it if he didn't have that accident

1532
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:32,410
in London I wonder you know what he

1533
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:33,970
would have changed in the world you know

1534
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:38,710
back then with you know I mean he wasn't

1535
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:42,910
that old when that happened that's true

1536
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:44,760
yeah he would have been consulting with

1537
01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:49,810
probably 80 and I need to UM yeah I know

1538
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:53,860
it's me yeah yeah

1539
01:20:59,400 --> 01:20:57,130
Lew and those guys yeah name is death to

1540
01:21:00,839 --> 01:20:59,410
the stars through the Stars Academy yeah

1541
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:00,849
PSA yeah

1542
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:04,570
so yeah just switching gears a little

1543
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:09,040
bit last July we talked up we talked at

1544
01:21:14,729 --> 01:21:12,159
some point and you maybe it was July I'm

1545
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:14,739
not sure you were on your roof I'll let

1546
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:19,570
you finish a story Wow yeah let's yeah I

1547
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:22,210
was I'm on my roof at 10:00 I went up

1548
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:26,710
there about 9:40 at night and I was

1549
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:29,679
going up there to adjust of the security

1550
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:30,250
camera

1551
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:36,820
it was on the roof and anyway uh I was

1552
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:38,860
adjusting it and do it you know it's

1553
01:21:42,839 --> 01:21:41,050
very technical you have to wear a video

1554
01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:42,849
screen on your wrist and go through the

1555
01:21:48,030 --> 01:21:44,440
menus and all that stuff so you could

1556
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:48,040
really maximize the light at night you

1557
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:52,750
know the sensitivity at night and so I'm

1558
01:22:01,140 --> 01:21:57,520
up there and this thing is in the sky I

1559
01:22:03,089 --> 01:22:01,150
saw it and I was like Oz probably an

1560
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:03,099
airplane or whatever and then I looked

1561
01:22:09,149 --> 01:22:04,810
at it again I'm like that it's not an

1562
01:22:12,859 --> 01:22:09,159
airplane and it was heading toward me

1563
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:12,869
and it was this orange like ball

1564
01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:16,480
literally super bright and it it

1565
01:22:22,050 --> 01:22:19,020
flickered at a very high rate of speed

1566
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:22,060
and it was coming toward and down toward

1567
01:22:28,859 --> 01:22:26,170
where I was and I didn't know what it

1568
01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:28,869
was at all I didn't make a judgement I

1569
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,790
was running things through my head like

1570
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:33,280
it's a drone is this a Chinese lantern

1571
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:35,770
is this what is this and they'd

1572
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:38,650
absolutely no noise at all and when I

1573
01:22:46,530 --> 01:22:41,369
got closer to me

1574
01:22:49,770 --> 01:22:46,540
it passed in behind the tree that was in

1575
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:49,780
front of me which is a very large oak

1576
01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:52,260
tree I mean this thing was at 200 feet

1577
01:23:02,399 --> 01:22:59,340
by that time above the ground and it

1578
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:02,409
still was beaming this light was just

1579
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:06,000
when I was blinding you know the the

1580
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:08,770
orange we're it was just totally weird

1581
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,710
and then when it passed behind the tree

1582
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:14,320
it had you know these long these

1583
01:23:19,919 --> 01:23:17,530
branches come out in the tree and it

1584
01:23:26,729 --> 01:23:19,929
blocked out the light of this bright

1585
01:23:29,459 --> 01:23:26,739
orange light and this thing was I could

1586
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:29,469
see you know blocked out the orange part

1587
01:23:34,859 --> 01:23:30,760
when it went behind the branch and I

1588
01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:34,869
could see these platforms on coming out

1589
01:23:40,169 --> 01:23:37,480
on on each side of the light and they

1590
01:23:42,689 --> 01:23:40,179
were really thick like 12 feet tech

1591
01:23:44,839 --> 01:23:42,699
maybe I mean they were really thick and

1592
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:44,849
there was a silver line in the middle

1593
01:23:54,740 --> 01:23:52,090
super shiny like chrome and and it was

1594
01:23:57,390 --> 01:23:54,750
black on top black on the bottom and

1595
01:23:59,339 --> 01:23:57,400
that's when I kind of got like okay I

1596
01:24:02,819 --> 01:23:59,349
have no idea what this thing is and it's

1597
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:02,829
pretty damn close to me and it started

1598
01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:04,810
to move and it was it was always moving

1599
01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:06,369
and it was moving weirdly it like

1600
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,280
wobbled slightly yeah it moved through

1601
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:15,280
the tree and I kept looking at it and I

1602
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:17,409
was thinking of what am i doing on the

1603
01:24:23,339 --> 01:24:19,810
roof right what is this thing going to

1604
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:23,349
do I have no idea and there was no

1605
01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:25,329
windows on it or anything what was also

1606
01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:29,380
interesting was when it that orange

1607
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:31,989
light went behind the tree those

1608
01:24:38,939 --> 01:24:35,590
platforms were lit by a like a really

1609
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:38,949
dim white light with no source there was

1610
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:40,900
you couldn't see a light source or any

1611
01:24:46,589 --> 01:24:43,360
kind of it was it was just the whole

1612
01:24:50,609 --> 01:24:46,599
thing - honestly was exotic Wow whole

1613
01:24:53,490 --> 01:24:50,619
thing and then and it made absolutely no

1614
01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:53,500
sound I fly planes like I seen all kinds

1615
01:24:57,060 --> 01:24:55,630
of stuff and I know what air

1616
01:24:59,250 --> 01:24:57,070
displacement is when something's moving

1617
01:25:01,379 --> 01:24:59,260
through the air you can hear it you know

1618
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:01,389
it's a displacement in the air there was

1619
01:25:08,459 --> 01:25:06,730
nothing nothing and and then it came out

1620
01:25:12,209 --> 01:25:08,469
the tree I caught a glimpse of it again

1621
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:12,219
you know because the orange light had

1622
01:25:18,450 --> 01:25:16,420
moved around somewhere I don't even know

1623
01:25:22,050 --> 01:25:18,460
for was a let alone what it was but and

1624
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:22,060
then then I saw this sloping dome on the

1625
01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:26,020
top just for a frame like a frame and

1626
01:25:30,819 --> 01:25:27,739
then it went black

1627
01:25:31,299 --> 01:25:30,829
and then I'm still thinking what is this

1628
01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:31,309
thing

1629
01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:33,590
and that was it then it went through

1630
01:25:38,169 --> 01:25:35,320
some kind of transformation which I

1631
01:25:43,209 --> 01:25:38,179
don't understand it was like jumbling

1632
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:43,219
around and then the orange light came

1633
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:47,110
back on but it was much bigger and and

1634
01:25:55,149 --> 01:25:50,630
then I watched this thing go from this

1635
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:55,159
orange ball and depart over the horizon

1636
01:25:58,569 --> 01:25:56,239
in a second

1637
01:26:00,160 --> 01:25:58,579
I mean it was dropped jaw-dropping

1638
01:26:02,770 --> 01:26:00,170
that's when I knew I this was not a

1639
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:02,780
drone it wasn't a Chinese lantern it

1640
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:06,050
wasn't any of this stuff this was it was

1641
01:26:10,899 --> 01:26:08,210
jaw-dropping I stood up on my roof for

1642
01:26:13,839 --> 01:26:10,909
20 minutes just like and I felt like a

1643
01:26:16,509 --> 01:26:13,849
Neanderthal witnessing something from

1644
01:26:19,029 --> 01:26:16,519
behind and I'm not even saying I don't

1645
01:26:21,129 --> 01:26:19,039
even know who was flying that thing but

1646
01:26:23,919 --> 01:26:21,139
we should all be concerned that these

1647
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:23,929
things are out there I don't know I

1648
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:26,449
don't care who's flying them but they're

1649
01:26:31,540 --> 01:26:29,329
there and it's you know I've been very

1650
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:31,550
quiet about it you know because of the

1651
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:32,960
film I didn't want to say anything but

1652
01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:36,489
it really really disturbed me you know

1653
01:26:43,569 --> 01:26:39,710
for a long time and then 45 days later

1654
01:26:45,339 --> 01:26:43,579
my brother died you know but I mean it

1655
01:26:47,109 --> 01:26:45,349
was a hell of a year last year but that

1656
01:26:52,330 --> 01:26:47,119
was a big one I wrote about it every

1657
01:26:55,180 --> 01:26:52,340
single day after that that happens with

1658
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:55,190
uh and I mean there's so many little

1659
01:26:58,959 --> 01:26:57,170
details because when you're when you see

1660
01:27:02,739 --> 01:26:58,969
something unknown something that could

1661
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:02,749
potentially pose a danger to you you

1662
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:05,360
start filming at a very high rate of

1663
01:27:11,410 --> 01:27:08,360
speed you just like in a car accident

1664
01:27:12,970 --> 01:27:11,420
you know like that kind of thing you

1665
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,980
know everything seems slow-motion but

1666
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:14,719
the reason why is because you're filming

1667
01:27:21,959 --> 01:27:18,289
so fast in your eyes you're taking you

1668
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:21,969
know a higher rate of pictures and

1669
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:26,110
anyway so the whole incident was just

1670
01:27:36,969 --> 01:27:31,210
yeah humbling and why I have no idea I

1671
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,979
live in a 700 acre forest so there

1672
01:27:40,779 --> 01:27:39,199
wasn't many people around though there

1673
01:27:47,349 --> 01:27:40,789
were other witnesses

1674
01:27:50,009 --> 01:27:47,359
from South Deerfield I try to get a hold

1675
01:27:52,359 --> 01:27:50,019
of this guy and it's the same thing and

1676
01:27:57,129 --> 01:27:52,369
oh I got to tell you this

1677
01:27:59,139 --> 01:27:57,139
so after this incident I called one of

1678
01:28:01,179 --> 01:27:59,149
the I won't mention the name UFO

1679
01:28:03,569 --> 01:28:01,189
Reporting agency I was going to ask you

1680
01:28:07,329 --> 01:28:03,579
about that okay yeah yeah and they

1681
01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:07,339
didn't send somebody out and I filed it

1682
01:28:15,129 --> 01:28:11,089
and they he never came out or anything

1683
01:28:18,069 --> 01:28:15,139
and he just wrote it off as a Chinese

1684
01:28:22,179 --> 01:28:18,079
lantern and I got I was upset I was like

1685
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:22,189
are you kidding me well and so I called

1686
01:28:26,829 --> 01:28:24,049
the head of that organization I said

1687
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:26,839
look man this whoever's working out here

1688
01:28:33,250 --> 01:28:30,049
I just it's that he's not doing a good

1689
01:28:35,349 --> 01:28:33,260
job of this so I ended up getting

1690
01:28:40,679 --> 01:28:35,359
connected I said you know I'm gonna go

1691
01:28:44,049 --> 01:28:40,689
to another agency a scientific based

1692
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,059
agency and and I did and they've and I'm

1693
01:28:48,579 --> 01:28:46,639
working with them still because I

1694
01:28:51,579 --> 01:28:48,589
gathered an awful lot of data during

1695
01:28:53,770 --> 01:28:51,589
that time so and then I went to the

1696
01:28:58,329 --> 01:28:53,780
police department I reported it to two

1697
01:29:00,069 --> 01:28:58,339
police departments and pretty much got

1698
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:00,079
told that I all you probably saw a

1699
01:29:07,869 --> 01:29:04,329
meteorite or you know I filed reports

1700
01:29:10,869 --> 01:29:07,879
but well I just got a real taste of what

1701
01:29:13,899 --> 01:29:10,879
people go through yeah when you report

1702
01:29:15,819 --> 01:29:13,909
and thank god these science-based guys

1703
01:29:19,449 --> 01:29:15,829
they sent a guy out here we walked

1704
01:29:23,829 --> 01:29:19,459
through the whole thing and showed them

1705
01:29:25,809 --> 01:29:23,839
what I had and you know and I'm not

1706
01:29:29,459 --> 01:29:25,819
going to ask you to show this but did

1707
01:29:32,969 --> 01:29:29,469
you take footage yes you do have it

1708
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:32,979
mm-hmm that that is really interesting

1709
01:29:36,489 --> 01:29:34,129
yes

1710
01:29:38,409 --> 01:29:36,499
some yeah that's that right now I'm

1711
01:29:41,589 --> 01:29:38,419
getting that to these people so they can

1712
01:29:44,139 --> 01:29:41,599
really analyze it I mean I'm I need to

1713
01:29:46,179 --> 01:29:44,149
analyze it further but to have it on

1714
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:46,189
tape and also have visually saw it

1715
01:29:51,699 --> 01:29:48,289
myself you know the cameras

1716
01:29:54,649 --> 01:29:51,709
unfortunately cameras are wide angle so

1717
01:29:58,009 --> 01:29:54,659
it's all ice as far away as

1718
01:30:02,659 --> 01:29:58,019
was but what matters to me when I look

1719
01:30:05,919 --> 01:30:02,669
at it is the behavior what it does you

1720
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:05,929
know and the audio there's zero sound

1721
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:09,570
zero and nothing was big it had it been

1722
01:30:17,899 --> 01:30:13,050
at least 70 feet at least 70 feet long

1723
01:30:19,870 --> 01:30:17,909
and definitely probably ten or twelve

1724
01:30:22,399 --> 01:30:19,880
feet high

1725
01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:22,409
well I mean every everything about the

1726
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:23,219
thing was weird

1727
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:25,169
everything about the thing was exotic

1728
01:30:33,790 --> 01:30:29,369
and strange and I don't know it was from

1729
01:30:36,469 --> 01:30:33,800
or anything but yeah well sorry okay

1730
01:30:39,229 --> 01:30:36,479
yeah that is a really nice touring and I

1731
01:30:40,549 --> 01:30:39,239
do appreciate the fact because I know

1732
01:30:42,620 --> 01:30:40,559
you're a little hesitant to talk about

1733
01:30:45,890 --> 01:30:42,630
it but I really do appreciate the fact

1734
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:45,900
that you you did decide to talk about it

1735
01:30:51,259 --> 01:30:49,380
but we're we are now taking calls I see

1736
01:30:57,109 --> 01:30:51,269
we have one person on another trying to

1737
01:31:02,659 --> 01:30:57,119
get in and so we have Chris calling from

1738
01:31:06,020 --> 01:31:02,669
Alabama Chris welcome to the show hi

1739
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,030
Chris oh it's my fault my fault oh here

1740
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:08,639
we go here we go Chris welcome to the

1741
01:31:15,859 --> 01:31:11,010
show hello

1742
01:31:17,659 --> 01:31:15,869
hey there hello how are you I'm great

1743
01:31:21,709 --> 01:31:17,669
how are you good good you have a

1744
01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:21,719
question for our guest tonight yes I was

1745
01:31:26,779 --> 01:31:23,249
just listening to the last bit there

1746
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:26,789
where you had a video of your your

1747
01:31:31,729 --> 01:31:29,249
encounter I was wondering if you could

1748
01:31:34,489 --> 01:31:31,739
possibly post that online for others to

1749
01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:34,499
see or if if that was insensitive to you

1750
01:31:41,509 --> 01:31:39,239
I want to have it analyzed first like

1751
01:31:43,219 --> 01:31:41,519
you know it's gonna eventually end up

1752
01:31:45,609 --> 01:31:43,229
out there but I just want the science

1753
01:31:49,719 --> 01:31:45,619
guys to look at it really carefully

1754
01:31:52,129 --> 01:31:49,729
first but it'll be out eventually and

1755
01:31:55,969 --> 01:31:52,139
there's a there's a couple others that I

1756
01:31:58,100 --> 01:31:55,979
have also some for some reason this area

1757
01:32:00,859 --> 01:31:58,110
that I live in is some kind of pathway

1758
01:32:04,429 --> 01:32:00,869
for some pretty strange vehicles in my

1759
01:32:08,299 --> 01:32:04,439
opinion yeah about that

1760
01:32:10,219 --> 01:32:08,309
anything else Christopher no

1761
01:32:12,020 --> 01:32:10,229
that's all thank you very much thanks

1762
01:32:16,609 --> 01:32:12,030
and you're out there eventually

1763
01:32:21,169 --> 01:32:16,619
thank you yeah I appreciate the call we

1764
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:21,179
also have Rob Rob is calling from

1765
01:32:28,849 --> 01:32:23,689
Pennsylvania welcome to the show Rob

1766
01:32:30,829 --> 01:32:28,859
hello hi there hi Rob hey hey thanks for

1767
01:32:34,489 --> 01:32:30,839
having the show thanks Randall for being

1768
01:32:37,869 --> 01:32:34,499
on my question was even though you

1769
01:32:42,349 --> 01:32:37,879
mentioned something about some original

1770
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:42,359
video interviews that were done that

1771
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:45,689
were done by John Mack and you night

1772
01:32:51,349 --> 01:32:48,089
since like five or six hours something

1773
01:32:53,179 --> 01:32:51,359
like that I am time to go I had looked

1774
01:32:55,009 --> 01:32:53,189
online to try to find them because I was

1775
01:32:57,469 --> 01:32:55,019
really interested in seeing all of the

1776
01:33:02,929 --> 01:32:57,479
all of the video is there a way for

1777
01:33:05,509 --> 01:33:02,939
others to view these videos not yet I

1778
01:33:11,059 --> 01:33:05,519
that's gonna I know some were out there

1779
01:33:13,369 --> 01:33:11,069
and I think the Mac foundation took them

1780
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:13,379
down for right now because I think they

1781
01:33:21,589 --> 01:33:16,409
wanna I'm not sure how actually how they

1782
01:33:23,059 --> 01:33:21,599
want to release them or show them that's

1783
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:23,069
a good question because I think it's

1784
01:33:28,929 --> 01:33:25,530
important and I think it's important

1785
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:28,939
that all a lot of these interviews that

1786
01:33:35,329 --> 01:33:33,449
didn't make the film it's important that

1787
01:33:37,969 --> 01:33:35,339
I think they that they will be seen

1788
01:33:40,969 --> 01:33:37,979
tonight they can be seen by the public

1789
01:33:43,879 --> 01:33:40,979
I am I very much agree with you and hope

1790
01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:43,889
you're able to do that I think for this

1791
01:33:50,329 --> 01:33:47,219
particular event I suppose that it

1792
01:33:52,819 --> 01:33:50,339
doesn't seem to I can never seem to get

1793
01:33:55,309 --> 01:33:52,829
enough information about it I mean I

1794
01:33:58,099 --> 01:33:55,319
kind of kind of get the understanding

1795
01:34:00,139 --> 01:33:58,109
what happened from from here views that

1796
01:34:04,729 --> 01:34:00,149
you've done and and the others like

1797
01:34:05,839 --> 01:34:04,739
Salma and but I just I would like like

1798
01:34:09,889 --> 01:34:05,849
to see more if I could

1799
01:34:12,949 --> 01:34:09,899
so it's very and thanks Martin

1800
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:12,959
bye-bye yeah hey thank you thanks for

1801
01:34:22,020 --> 01:34:15,659
the call right I think after the film is

1802
01:34:24,150 --> 01:34:22,030
out I can do a real a real bullet point

1803
01:34:26,220 --> 01:34:24,160
progression of how everything happened

1804
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:26,230
and a lot of missing information that

1805
01:34:31,710 --> 01:34:30,370
and can't speak about yet yeah well we

1806
01:34:32,490 --> 01:34:31,720
all can't wait I mean that that's

1807
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:32,500
exciting

1808
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:35,890
no there's more more coming so the lines

1809
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:38,470
open the number is eight five five four

1810
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:41,110
seven two five four eight three we have

1811
01:34:45,660 --> 01:34:44,170
Andy calling from Connecticut repeat

1812
01:34:48,860 --> 01:34:45,670
call are always with great questions

1813
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:48,870
Andy welcome to the show hi guys thanks

1814
01:34:56,220 --> 01:34:52,570
Mike her Randall is I'd love to hear his

1815
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,230
thoughts on you know with regard to the

1816
01:35:04,080 --> 01:34:58,960
the alien message in the Arial school

1817
01:35:06,780 --> 01:35:04,090
incident of environmental problems or

1818
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:06,790
disasters does he think that there's any

1819
01:35:13,170 --> 01:35:09,430
chance that that's strictly the aliens

1820
01:35:16,020 --> 01:35:13,180
capitalizing on the the you know

1821
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:16,030
hot-button issues of the day to send a

1822
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:17,530
message to us that we should be

1823
01:35:22,170 --> 01:35:20,110
concerned and that you know knowing that

1824
01:35:24,540 --> 01:35:22,180
they may be able to control or read our

1825
01:35:28,350 --> 01:35:24,550
thoughts what are his thoughts on the

1826
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:28,360
fact that this this may not be sincere

1827
01:35:35,190 --> 01:35:33,730
it's just a you know a cover and I'll

1828
01:35:38,010 --> 01:35:35,200
take your answer off the area let other

1829
01:35:43,860 --> 01:35:38,020
people call in thanks guys good you know

1830
01:35:48,540 --> 01:35:43,870
thank you thanks I think well in Africa

1831
01:35:51,930 --> 01:35:48,550
at that time and that year global

1832
01:35:55,530 --> 01:35:51,940
warming like wasn't a huge topic at that

1833
01:35:58,830 --> 01:35:55,540
time right you know it wasn't a

1834
01:36:04,770 --> 01:35:58,840
mainstream thing at all back then it was

1835
01:36:07,500 --> 01:36:04,780
definitely being talked about but all I

1836
01:36:10,890 --> 01:36:07,510
can say about that is I think there were

1837
01:36:14,670 --> 01:36:10,900
the messages that those kids got we're

1838
01:36:18,270 --> 01:36:14,680
correct and we're finding that out every

1839
01:36:21,540 --> 01:36:18,280
day you know every single year for the

1840
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:21,550
past 15 years or so I believe

1841
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:23,530
off to make sure these numbers are

1842
01:36:29,220 --> 01:36:25,810
correct but every successive year like

1843
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:29,230
this year is warmer than last year the

1844
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:32,890
planets getting hotter and amongst so

1845
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:34,570
many other things that happen when the

1846
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:35,820
climate chain

1847
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:39,370
the ice mounts and animals start to

1848
01:36:44,220 --> 01:36:41,170
migrate to the areas they never went

1849
01:36:47,630 --> 01:36:44,230
were in before which creates an awful

1850
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:47,640
lot of chaos particularly in Africa

1851
01:37:07,500 --> 01:36:58,530
there was anything conspiratorial about

1852
01:37:09,420 --> 01:37:07,510
what happened there no well I you know

1853
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:09,430
one of the things that you never really

1854
01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:12,070
hear discussed but the fine particulates

1855
01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:16,390
that are in pollution in one way or

1856
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:18,460
another kills several hundred thousand

1857
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:20,230
people a year you know I mean it's just

1858
01:37:24,300 --> 01:37:22,510
you know that that alone never minding

1859
01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:24,310
what it's doing to the planet it's

1860
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:28,720
really something else we have a longtime

1861
01:37:34,620 --> 01:37:32,050
listener longtime listener from Columbia

1862
01:37:36,420 --> 01:37:34,630
Garret welcome to the show

1863
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,430
Garrett I saw you a question in chat I

1864
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:38,800
was going to ask it but welcome to the

1865
01:37:48,510 --> 01:37:42,970
show I'm glad to have you on oh thanks

1866
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:48,520
so much I guess I got impatient no I'm

1867
01:37:53,490 --> 01:37:51,310
glad you called in and a longtime

1868
01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:53,500
listener here in Columbia and who says

1869
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:55,630
some nice things that you love to listen

1870
01:37:59,730 --> 01:37:57,610
to the show and really get you get you

1871
01:38:05,270 --> 01:37:59,740
by down there and I always appreciate

1872
01:38:07,410 --> 01:38:05,280
hearing from you thanks so much yeah

1873
01:38:10,170 --> 01:38:07,420
kind of what we were talking what you

1874
01:38:12,210 --> 01:38:10,180
guys were talking about before you know

1875
01:38:15,330 --> 01:38:12,220
we are all starved for content right now

1876
01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:15,340
and me especially I'm in a foreign

1877
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:19,390
nation and my girlfriend really also

1878
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:23,410
appreciates the topic so my question was

1879
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:27,370
for Randall was will there be subtitle

1880
01:38:36,900 --> 01:38:32,830
options or you know dub Samba si si only

1881
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:36,910
speak Spanish okay yes there will be

1882
01:38:45,150 --> 01:38:40,090
yeah for sure we're pretty much all set

1883
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:45,160
up for that so that'll happen in the

1884
01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:48,610
next couple months yeah because it's

1885
01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:49,480
going to be worldwide

1886
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:51,670
and we're gonna have to I don't like how

1887
01:38:58,410 --> 01:38:53,170
many languages we're gonna have to do

1888
01:39:01,920 --> 01:38:58,420
this in but quite a few yeah anything

1889
01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:01,930
else Garrett okay yeah yes or one more

1890
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:04,540
will ya bonus features kind of like

1891
01:39:09,210 --> 01:39:08,080
these extra extra interviews that you

1892
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:09,220
had thanks so much

1893
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:11,770
Xavier have a great time guys anything

1894
01:39:18,540 --> 01:39:14,710
alright thanks for the call yeah there

1895
01:39:22,100 --> 01:39:18,550
will be you know there will be extras

1896
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:22,110
I'm not sure how I'm going to do that

1897
01:39:30,860 --> 01:39:27,760
but once the film is off off my hands

1898
01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:30,870
then I'm gonna focus on the extras and

1899
01:39:39,410 --> 01:39:36,190
DVD extras and you know a lot of really

1900
01:39:43,380 --> 01:39:39,420
interesting interviews and scenes that

1901
01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:43,390
didn't make a movie oh that's great yeah

1902
01:39:48,630 --> 01:39:46,030
it's exciting to know we have Nellie

1903
01:39:50,970 --> 01:39:48,640
from Los Angeles Nellie welcome to the

1904
01:39:53,780 --> 01:39:50,980
show thank you

1905
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:53,790
hey Martin and Randle thank you for

1906
01:40:01,080 --> 01:39:57,280
taking these calls my question for

1907
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:01,090
Randall is has any of the witnesses ever

1908
01:40:08,940 --> 01:40:05,710
experienced an unusual scent or smell

1909
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:08,950
after an encounter

1910
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:12,400
I remember reading some sisters in

1911
01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:14,110
Brazil who had an encounter and they

1912
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:18,720
talked about the putrid air when near

1913
01:40:23,340 --> 01:40:21,730
the craft and the the creature bad scene

1914
01:40:28,590 --> 01:40:23,350
and I wonder if there's them anything

1915
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:28,600
similar the aerial school witnesses no I

1916
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:38,010
because primarily they're in this very

1917
01:40:47,450 --> 01:40:42,489
large field it was primarily visual and

1918
01:40:52,650 --> 01:40:47,460
audio odd auditory things that they

1919
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:52,660
experienced John Mac actually asked a

1920
01:40:58,020 --> 01:40:55,930
lot of the kids that question I mean a

1921
01:41:02,490 --> 01:40:58,030
lot of people that interviewed the kids

1922
01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:02,500
before him you know two other people had

1923
01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:05,230
um didn't ask those questions like did

1924
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:06,940
you what did you hear what did you smell

1925
01:41:14,250 --> 01:41:09,130
was what you know what did you see all

1926
01:41:16,620 --> 01:41:14,260
those detailed questions but right at

1927
01:41:19,820 --> 01:41:16,630
the moment I can't I don't think there

1928
01:41:23,210 --> 01:41:19,830
was anybody that mentioned this smell

1929
01:41:27,090 --> 01:41:23,220
but I do know what you're talking about

1930
01:41:28,710 --> 01:41:27,100
yeah um I was just wondering if like the

1931
01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:28,720
craft or anything would leave some kind

1932
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:32,590
of yeah I mean anything about whether

1933
01:41:39,810 --> 01:41:35,530
the creatures or whatever substances are

1934
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:39,820
used to propel such a machinery and and

1935
01:41:43,890 --> 01:41:42,610
you had talked about sound and that

1936
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,900
there's been like a high-pitched

1937
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:46,560
whistling sound had there been any other

1938
01:41:51,210 --> 01:41:48,490
mentions of like any like low

1939
01:41:53,940 --> 01:41:51,220
frequencies or any other weird kind of

1940
01:41:59,160 --> 01:41:53,950
sound frequencies yeah

1941
01:42:02,960 --> 01:41:59,170
other than the whistle yes okay if you

1942
01:42:06,750 --> 01:42:02,970
hear the whistle you're in trouble yeah

1943
01:42:10,350 --> 01:42:06,760
okay whistle blue light you're not gonna

1944
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:10,360
have a good day tomorrow all right from

1945
01:42:16,980 --> 01:42:13,690
what I know and understand all right

1946
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:16,990
that's it out knowing put thank you for

1947
01:42:22,050 --> 01:42:19,450
this and look forward to the fray thank

1948
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:22,060
you appreciate it thank you for the call

1949
01:42:28,170 --> 01:42:25,510
next looks like we have some Smith

1950
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,180
calling from Connecticut welcome to the

1951
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:29,760
show

1952
01:42:36,690 --> 01:42:34,960
hello hi there hello yeah can you hear

1953
01:42:38,540 --> 01:42:36,700
me yeah we hear you Brian you have a

1954
01:42:43,410 --> 01:42:38,550
question for our guests

1955
01:42:47,790 --> 01:42:43,420
I'm just wondering you know after all

1956
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:47,800
the different things that he's

1957
01:42:56,850 --> 01:42:50,100
investigated i've been watching since

1958
01:43:01,380 --> 01:42:56,860
leonard nimoy in the early 70s but do

1959
01:43:05,190 --> 01:43:01,390
you think the overall thing is what's

1960
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,200
going on I mean are we building up to

1961
01:43:10,260 --> 01:43:07,840
something big that's going to happen or

1962
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:10,270
or you know what's your take on the

1963
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:18,310
things that are happening right now

1964
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:20,760
that's a great question I really

1965
01:43:26,690 --> 01:43:23,610
appreciate that question I've watched

1966
01:43:29,630 --> 01:43:26,700
every I've watched Martin Willis over it

1967
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:29,640
over and over and every other James

1968
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:32,880
Dolan so what's the overall picture of

1969
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:35,730
what could be happening and what what

1970
01:43:45,170 --> 01:43:41,370
can we expect well I feel like they

1971
01:43:48,170 --> 01:43:45,180
these it's another species life-form

1972
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:48,180
kingdom of creatures that have been

1973
01:43:55,670 --> 01:43:51,290
around for god only knows how long and

1974
01:43:59,570 --> 01:43:55,680
right there is a huge gap between where

1975
01:44:02,979 --> 01:43:59,580
humanity is and where they are just from

1976
01:44:08,780 --> 01:44:02,989
god only knows how many millions or

1977
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:08,790
years of evolution so that's a big I

1978
01:44:16,670 --> 01:44:13,730
mean I kind of see that that's maybe

1979
01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:16,680
trying to close up you know bridging

1980
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:19,860
that gap that's going to take hundreds

1981
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:21,600
and hundreds of years if that's the case

1982
01:44:27,620 --> 01:44:25,890
and that I feel like over slowly over

1983
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:27,630
time and they have acclimatized

1984
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:30,450
themselves to us much like we do with a

1985
01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:34,080
wild animal you know in taming a wild

1986
01:44:38,450 --> 01:44:36,030
animal it takes a lot of time and you

1987
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:38,460
got to show up and you got to be quiet

1988
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:40,290
and you got to stand still and you got

1989
01:44:46,130 --> 01:44:42,360
to wear the same clothes every day every

1990
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:46,140
time you encounter it and you know they

1991
01:44:53,630 --> 01:44:48,930
slowly get used to you but it takes a

1992
01:44:55,790 --> 01:44:53,640
long time before they take food and you

1993
01:44:59,780 --> 01:44:55,800
know and there are some animals on this

1994
01:45:02,660 --> 01:44:59,790
planet that can't be tamed so that a

1995
01:45:05,060 --> 01:45:02,670
whole other thing is that you know we

1996
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:05,070
never think of ourselves as like the

1997
01:45:17,339 --> 01:45:07,650
creatures or animals that we are you

1998
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:21,899
you know we're also in breaching space

1999
01:45:28,839 --> 01:45:25,010
you know and we have since always fully

2000
01:45:31,180 --> 01:45:28,849
started and that that this could be

2001
01:45:34,540 --> 01:45:31,190
possibly their neighborhood and they're

2002
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:34,550
concerned of us about us getting off our

2003
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:38,480
planet and that makes a lot of sense

2004
01:45:44,169 --> 01:45:42,800
because I would be concerned as well so

2005
01:45:49,089 --> 01:45:44,179
I don't know how the bridge is going to

2006
01:45:53,939 --> 01:45:49,099
be the gap is going to be bridged but I

2007
01:45:58,569 --> 01:45:53,949
feel like they are climate izing

2008
01:46:00,549 --> 01:45:58,579
themselves to us slow slowly good very

2009
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:00,559
well be hey Smith we got a bunch of

2010
01:46:07,540 --> 01:46:03,610
calls waiting so thanks for the call

2011
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:07,550
all right next we have we're not going

2012
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:09,110
to be able to take any more calls after

2013
01:46:14,220 --> 01:46:12,110
we have three lined up hello Steve from

2014
01:46:17,799 --> 01:46:14,230
California welcome to the show

2015
01:46:22,450 --> 01:46:17,809
hi Martin I'll make this quick we know

2016
01:46:24,970 --> 01:46:22,460
do a beautiful history that this that

2017
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,980
some cases stand out and this incident I

2018
01:46:30,669 --> 01:46:26,719
think stands out as one of the most

2019
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:30,679
important contact incidents I know

2020
01:46:36,370 --> 01:46:33,170
people are very interested in this case

2021
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:36,380
I have a room and a facebook called

2022
01:46:41,589 --> 01:46:38,960
truth be code and the past years I would

2023
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:41,599
post articles regarding this case and

2024
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:44,510
people are just so interested in this

2025
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:48,110
case I get so many people comment on

2026
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:52,159
this so awesomely come a question

2027
01:46:57,310 --> 01:46:55,369
question Dennis has wrote a book about

2028
01:47:00,100 --> 01:46:57,320
this and we know that this has happened

2029
01:47:02,260 --> 01:47:00,110
at many schools will you mention my

2030
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:02,270
question is why do you see these

2031
01:47:07,419 --> 01:47:05,690
visitors have toes children and second

2032
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,429
question I've been correcting you about

2033
01:47:13,390 --> 01:47:09,920
footage for 25 years I have to commend

2034
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:13,400
it to footage will you be having put it

2035
01:47:17,950 --> 01:47:15,409
in your film or what do you think of

2036
01:47:23,290 --> 01:47:17,960
some of the footage that I don't be now

2037
01:47:32,140 --> 01:47:23,300
today thank you all right

2038
01:47:35,260 --> 01:47:32,150
thanks for the question oh yeah there's

2039
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:35,270
not in the film we don't use any UFO

2040
01:47:41,770 --> 01:47:40,010
footage because we just you know the

2041
01:47:44,620 --> 01:47:41,780
whole idea of special effects or

2042
01:47:46,419 --> 01:47:44,630
anything was kind of took away from what

2043
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:46,429
this film is really about which is about

2044
01:47:52,620 --> 01:47:49,610
people it's about this event we didn't

2045
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:52,630
want to do any sci-fi kind of you know

2046
01:48:01,240 --> 01:47:55,520
anything there is actually excellent

2047
01:48:03,729 --> 01:48:01,250
areas one genuine UFO or whatever you

2048
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:03,739
want UAP that was caught on a

2049
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:07,510
night-vision camera that is in the film

2050
01:48:14,620 --> 01:48:12,110
but what was his first question I forget

2051
01:48:21,310 --> 01:48:17,770
yeah I thought it was about footage but

2052
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:21,320
you know maybe maybe there was a maybe

2053
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:22,790
there maybe it's time to take another

2054
01:48:29,500 --> 01:48:27,050
call okay all right we have a Rob from

2055
01:48:31,359 --> 01:48:29,510
Florida Rob welcome to the show we only

2056
01:48:33,930 --> 01:48:31,369
have a couple minutes left here and we

2057
01:48:36,580 --> 01:48:33,940
have another call waiting so how are you

2058
01:48:39,010 --> 01:48:36,590
I'll fine mr. Willis I'm a new

2059
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:39,020
subscriber to your channel and thank you

2060
01:48:43,810 --> 01:48:41,110
so much for sending those shows to me

2061
01:48:46,209 --> 01:48:43,820
good evening mr. Nickerson that this is

2062
01:48:49,569 --> 01:48:46,219
one of the most astonishing cases I've

2063
01:48:52,180 --> 01:48:49,579
ever read and it is and it's very high

2064
01:48:54,970 --> 01:48:52,190
quality my question to you is sir has

2065
01:48:59,709 --> 01:48:54,980
any recent readings been done on the

2066
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:59,719
actual site as far as Rachel actually no

2067
01:49:04,959 --> 01:49:02,239
I in the readings that were done at the

2068
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:04,969
time were done with basically homemade

2069
01:49:12,939 --> 01:49:09,290
instruments they did actually soil

2070
01:49:16,450 --> 01:49:12,949
samples they actually did a good job

2071
01:49:20,410 --> 01:49:16,460
they used electromagnetic field detector

2072
01:49:23,049 --> 01:49:20,420
that one of the investigators was an

2073
01:49:25,660 --> 01:49:23,059
electronics whiz and he built that and

2074
01:49:27,819 --> 01:49:25,670
he built a Geiger counter but it wasn't

2075
01:49:29,950 --> 01:49:27,829
since super-sensitive so I'd be

2076
01:49:32,799 --> 01:49:29,960
interested to see if there was anything

2077
01:49:37,089 --> 01:49:32,809
on that site I just didn't go in that

2078
01:49:39,009 --> 01:49:37,099
direction I mean I would

2079
01:49:43,959 --> 01:49:39,019
if I went back because I do have a

2080
01:49:46,179 --> 01:49:43,969
Geiger counter now but yeah I there was

2081
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:46,189
a lot of work done on site but it there

2082
01:49:53,409 --> 01:49:48,649
was nothing that was came back as any

2083
01:49:56,319 --> 01:49:53,419
red flag you know interesting we'll

2084
01:49:57,879 --> 01:49:56,329
listen best of luck on your on your film

2085
01:49:58,779 --> 01:49:57,889
there thank you thank you sir I

2086
01:50:01,959 --> 01:49:58,789
appreciate that

2087
01:50:03,849 --> 01:50:01,969
all right excellent well our last caller

2088
01:50:06,279 --> 01:50:03,859
just dropped off which is just as well

2089
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:06,289
because we only have we only have a

2090
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,010
couple minutes left here so Randall want

2091
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:12,320
you throw out all the information that

2092
01:50:20,429 --> 01:50:16,729
you can as far as you know people being

2093
01:50:24,909 --> 01:50:20,439
able to watch the film and all that Oh

2094
01:50:27,009 --> 01:50:24,919
as far as websites and yeah all that and

2095
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:27,019
yeah you can watch the trailer at aerial

2096
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:30,800
phenomenon comm we are just finishing

2097
01:50:41,049 --> 01:50:34,719
our new website which is really cool we

2098
01:50:44,649 --> 01:50:41,059
have upgraded that and also we you can

2099
01:50:47,259 --> 01:50:44,659
reach us on Facebook it's if you go to

2100
01:50:49,540 --> 01:50:47,269
Facebook and put in Ariel school film or

2101
01:50:51,489 --> 01:50:49,550
arrow school documentary it'll come up

2102
01:50:55,619 --> 01:50:51,499
and there's a lot of activity on there

2103
01:51:00,129 --> 01:50:55,629
we have a Twitter we have all the all

2104
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:00,139
the services you know wherever you where

2105
01:51:06,009 --> 01:51:03,530
yeah okay oh yeah can I say something we

2106
01:51:09,339 --> 01:51:06,019
are you know I just want to put a

2107
01:51:13,299 --> 01:51:09,349
shout-out to Nikki in Africa who was

2108
01:51:17,349 --> 01:51:13,309
such a big help and Rebecca and Ann and

2109
01:51:19,959 --> 01:51:17,359
Chris and Rick and so many other people

2110
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:19,969
that have just been I mean I I'm the

2111
01:51:26,679 --> 01:51:23,090
head guy whatever but the work they've

2112
01:51:29,469 --> 01:51:26,689
done has just been amazing and I I was

2113
01:51:31,989 --> 01:51:29,479
so lucky to have a good a really great

2114
01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:31,999
team you know actually next one I put

2115
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:34,550
that thank you out to so many people are

2116
01:51:38,619 --> 01:51:36,260
people who have given money and all that

2117
01:51:40,029 --> 01:51:38,629
it's just it's super important and I I

2118
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,039
just want to make that thank you

2119
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,320
all right well we're totally out of time

2120
01:51:46,540 --> 01:51:44,719
Randall's so thank you so good all right

2121
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:46,550
thanks Martin I really appreciate it you

2122
01:51:50,740 --> 01:51:47,840
bet have a good one

2123
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:50,750
yeah well website just got him

2124
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:52,490
all right everyone so we'll be back next

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week with Dave Halperin and thanks so

2126
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much everyone and have a good safe week

2127
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and remember to keep your eyes to the

2128
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sky and it hits me oh my gosh this is

2129
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:06,680
that triangle

2130
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you know there's explanation for

2131
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everything that occurred in the

2132
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Rendlesham forest incident

2133
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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

2134
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completely silent it comes right over

2135
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our head it's so classic why he's also

2136
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really standing in the Clery he turned

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over to my father and held his hand and